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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Dude.

    No, they didn't.

    They said judicial review was part of the judicial power. They didn't the say the oath gave them that power. They said -- in dicta -- that the oath wouldn't make sense if they didn't have the power. They didn't say that the oath was the reason they had the power.
    Dude. The point is not the oath itself, but the fact that they are officers of government sworn to uphold the Constitution.

    I never said they did.
    I know - you said I said they did. I agree they didn't.

    So what? You've confused yourself. Go back and read my posts.
    No. This is about you accusing me of something and calling me a liar when I said otherwise. I'm done with that.

    Insofar as you may be trying to argue that you never said they ruled the President may disregard laws, but "the executive branch" -- the only way you save yourself if you're arguing that the President isn't part of the executive branch. But you precluded yourself from that, specifically, right here in what I quoted.
    Wow, look at who is confused.

    I never said they actually ruled this. I said the implication was there.

    You said they ruled something they didn't rule. Plain as that.
    Nope. But this is about what I think, not what you thought I think. I'm telling you right now what I think, despite any words of mine that may have confused you in the past. I am not a politician and you are not playing a gotcha game. If you are, I'm not interested.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    For the context of the health insurance law, the agencies who would police it( IRS & HHS ) aren't independent.
    I was speaking in general terms, in response to a general proposition.

    And no, I did not bring up writ of mandamus.
    Whoops, sorry.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Dude. The point is not the oath itself, but the fact that they are officers of government sworn to uphold the Constitution.
    You are changing what you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Without getting into it, I'll just remind you that the reason the court found the power to declare a law unconstitutional was the oath the judges took to uphold the Constitution, which is the same oath the President and Congress members take.
    And you doubled down on it, too.

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    Actually, I suspect you're not getting into it because you don't really have a grasp on it -- that's not "the reason" they found anything.
    Yes, it is. It's the one relevant to this discussion at least.

    No. This is about you accusing me of something and calling me a liar when I said otherwise. I'm done with that.
    Then stop pretending you didn't say things you said.

    Like here:

    Wow, look at who is confused.

    I never said they actually ruled this. I said the implication was there.
    When you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Which was the issue in Marbury v. Madison - which not only established judicial review, but also, remember, ruled that the executive branch need not follow a law it also believed was unconstitutional!


    Nope. But this is about what I think, not what you thought I think. I'm telling you right now what I think, despite any words of mine that may have confused you in the past. I am not a politician and you are not playing a gotcha game. If you are, I'm not interested.
    Apparently you aren't interested in having your own words quoted back to you.

    I understand that you can't actually support any of it, but at least cop to saying it. I really don't know who you think you're fooling. If you didn't mean to say what you said, that's your own fault of communication, not mine. But said, it, you did.

    If you actually claim that you didn't, then indeed, you are a liar.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Not playing these games with you. I'm not interested.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    I believe so. But doesnt it go back to congress then and takes 2/3 vote to repeal it?


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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Not playing these games with you. I'm not interested.
    There are no "games." You said what you said. Now you say you didn't, even though it's quoted back plain as day to you. If there are "games," you're the one playing them.

    I have to say, this makes you look exceedingly childish. If that's the best you've got, then yes, there's little point.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There are no "games." You said what you said. Now you say you didn't, even though it's quoted back plain as day to you. If there are "games," you're the one playing them.

    I have to say, this makes you look exceedingly childish. If that's the best you've got, then yes, there's little point.
    You misunderstood my words. If you won't give me the benefit of the doubt to own my own words even after I try to explain them to you, I have no reason to listen to your words. Childish is when you don't give people that respect.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You misunderstood my words. If you won't give me the benefit of the doubt to own my own words even after I try to explain them to you, I have no reason to listen to your words. Childish is when you don't give people that respect.
    No. If you weren't saying what you meant, then you simply used the wrong words. I didn't misunderstand them. You pooched it. If you want to be understood, get it right.

    You didn't come back with "sorry, what I meant was" -- you simply denied having said it, when you plainly did.

    Others can decide what they think, but it absolutely appears to me that you said a bunch of things you couldn't support and when you found you couldn't, you simply pretended to have said something else. That gets no respect from me at all, nor should it.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No. If you weren't saying what you meant, then you simply used the wrong words. I didn't misunderstand them. You pooched it. If you want to be understood, get it right.

    You didn't come back with "sorry, what I meant was" -- you simply denied having said it, when you plainly did.

    Others can decide what they think, but it absolutely appears to me that you said a bunch of things you couldn't support and when you found you couldn't, you simply pretended to have said something else. That gets no respect from me at all, nor should it.
    You're still doing it.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    It seems that people here don't understand what "refusing to enforce a law" means. (Hint: it doesn't mean that the president doesn't have to do what the law requires him to do)
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