View Poll Results: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You seemed to comprehend the poll well enough to accurately conclude that "the President CANNOT repeal or veto an existing law on his own; he can only veto a bill presented to him from Congress". Thus, in order for Mitt Romeny, Newt Gingrinch, Rick Santorum or even Ron Paul to repeal ObamaCare, they must first receive a bill from Congress calling for such a repeal.

    Thus, I'd say the poll is precise enough. I thank you for your reply nonetheless.
    Nope. Your poll was poorly written.

    Poll: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Yes, he can!
    No, only Congress has these enumerated powers

    "Yes, he can!" The President can veto a law that has not been enacted...but he cannot repeal a law that has been enacted. It's impossible to select this choice.

    "No, only Congress has these enumerated powers." Congress does have the power to repeal a law that has been enacted...with the signature of the President. Congress has no power to veto a law. It's impossible to select this choice.


    So, you presented a poll in which neither choice is acceptable. Poorly written, I'd say.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    In a nutshell, yes. He [President] can't repeal a law, but he can issue an EO stating why he won't enforce certain provisions of a law OR he can accelerate the execution of a provision of a law in advance of the entire law taking affect. But repeal...no.
    Pretty much sums it up.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Nope. Your poll was poorly written.

    Poll: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Yes, he can!
    No, only Congress has these enumerated powers

    "Yes, he can!" The President can veto a law that has not been enacted...but he cannot repeal a law that has been enacted. It's impossible to select this choice.

    "No, only Congress has these enumerated powers." Congress does have the power to repeal a law that has been enacted...with the signature of the President. Congress has no power to veto a law. It's impossible to select this choice.


    So, you presented a poll in which neither choice is acceptable. Poorly written, I'd say.
    The poll was very straight-forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Is a repeal or veto of a setting law a presidential enumerated power under the Constitution?
    Or to rephrase, can a sitting President, as one of his enumerated powers under the Constitution, veto or repeal an existing law?

    You're attempting to splice the issue, e.g., "if a bill has become law but the law hasn't taken affect yet ('fully activated') or hasn't been fully implemented ('only certain provisions of said law have been activated'), the President can veto said law".

    Again, per the Constitution NO he cannot. The President can only veto a BILL. He CANNOT veto A LAW. It doesn't matter whether the law has taken affect in whole or in part. The President does NOT have the authority per the Constitution to veto (or repeal) an existing law. Read it! Understand it! Understand the mechanics involved.

    Presidential Powers per Art 2 of the Constitution.

    The Process of making a bill a law per Art 1, Section 7 of the Constitution.

    Wikipedia summary of the veto process in the U.S.

    A well written piece from ThinkProgress.org illustrating the step a sitting President could take to "dummie-down" or otherwise weaken an existing law (re: "ObamaCare" should a Republican win the White House).

    But not one of the referenced sources state that the President can arbitrarily as one of his enumerated powers veto or repeal an existing law.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 02-02-12 at 11:11 AM.

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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The poll was very straight-forward.



    Or to rephrase, can a sitting President, as one of his enumerated powers under the Constitution, veto or repeal an existing law?

    You're attempting to splice the issue, e.g., "if a bill has become law but the law hasn't taken affect yet ("fully activated") or hasn't been fully implemented ("only certain provisions of said law have been activated"), the President can veto said law".

    Again, per the Constitution NO he cannot. The President can only veto a BILL. He CANNOT veto A LAW. It doesn't matter whether the law has taken affect in whole or in part. The President does NOT have the authority per the Constitution to veto (or repeal) an existing law. Read it! Understand it! Understand the mechanics involved.
    LOL!!!

    Okay, you've explained why one cannot choose number 1. Now, explain how Congress has the enumerated power to veto a law. Explain how one can logically choose number 2.
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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!!

    Okay, you've explained why one cannot choose number 1. Now, explain how Congress has the enumerated power to veto a law. Explain how one can logically choose number 2.
    It's simple.

    Congress drafts another bill seeking to repeal a law currently on the books and if approved by both chambers (House and Senate), the bill is sent to the President for signature. If the President agrees with the bill, it becomes law and as such, the old law is "repealled" (or provisions thereof).

    As such, I state again, the President DOES NOT have the power to arbitrarily veto or repeal an existing law on his own. He has to have another bill submitted to him from Congress in order to do it. Therefore, no President whether newly elected or the incumbant can waltz into the White House and arbitrarily repeal any law he (or she) chooses. It takes an act of Congress in order to make this happen.

    The inverse can also happen. Congress can override a Presidential veto with a 2/3 majority vote. Thus, making a bill the President may disagree with a law. (Re: The War Powers Act).
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 02-02-12 at 11:22 AM.

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    Re: Can the President veto or repeal a law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!!

    Okay, you've explained why one cannot choose number 1. Now, explain how Congress has the enumerated power to veto a law. Explain how one can logically choose number 2.
    It says veto OR REPEAL. Congress can repeal.
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