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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    There is some sense to the 'in case of rape' argument, tied in with the Castle Doctrine line of thought. If someone is trespassing on your property and threatening you, Castle Doctrine says that homicide is justifiable. However, it doesn't apply if you invite someone in, as it isn't then trespass. An unwanted pregnancy can be considered analogous to this, and the (normally pro-life) line is that CD doesn't apply after consensual sex because that's 'inviting the pregnancy' - however it does apply in cases of rape.

    There are all sorts of potential holes in this (both from a pro-life and a pro-choice POV), but that's the jist of it.
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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I am against abortion UNLESS it is either the woman or the unborn's life at stake. That is my only exception.
    A pregnant woman's life is always at stake. But we understand the power you want to force your religious ideology over women by your messages across this forum.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A pregnant woman's life is always at stake. But we understand the power you want to force your religious ideology over women by your messages across this forum.
    Nope. Only when the pregnancy is complicated, where it becomes either the mother or the unborn that lives, I favor the life of the mother.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    But if you equalize the rights of citizen with said rights of the unborn, they are inherently the same. A more logical approach would be to compensate the victim, bring the perpetrator to justice, and protect the rights of a newly created citizen. Again, it makes no sense morally or logically.
    Fair enough, all this being said, this is simply my personal/moral take on the issue. If I were forced to take a legal stance on the issue I'm completely unsure how I'd proceed.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I am against abortion UNLESS it is either the woman or the unborn's life at stake. That is my only exception.
    Again, read above. If you believe abortion is murder, you are making exceptions (however justified) to the "murder" of "innocent children." In this society, we're suppose to value the life of innocent children over the life of grown adults, so why should you make such an exception?

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Fair enough, all this being said, this is simply my personal/moral take on the issue. If I were forced to take a legal stance on the issue I'm completely unsure how I'd proceed.
    Ergo, you haven't completely thought these things through.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    To be a pure pro-lifer you must declare:
    1. Women have no say over the biological parentage of their children. This is singularly determined by the man.
    2. Women have no right to have a father in her children's life.
    3. That a man has an inherent right to physically force women to have children against her will.

    That is the pure "pro-life" stance.
    I can agree with that, given that something like 77% of politicians who vote on abortion legislation are men and 100% of them will never be pregnant.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Nope. Only when the pregnancy is complicated, where it becomes either the mother or the unborn that lives, I favor the life of the mother.
    If we're on board the Titanic, would you save the life of a child or that of a grown woman? How do you justify a value system that cherishes the life of the mother over that of her children?

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Again, read above. If you believe abortion is murder, you are making exceptions (however justified) to the "murder" of "innocent children." In this society, we're suppose to value the life of innocent children over the life of grown adults, so why should you make such an exception?
    I believe abortion is murder unless the pregnancy puts the woman's life at risk. That being the case, it's a tragedy. Never did I say the life of an innocent child is worth more than a grown adult.

    The life of the unborn is worth more than the woman's selfish whim to kill her child. However, when her very life, during said complication, is put in that scenario, the scales are different. Abortion is murder unless the mother's life is directly at risk, imo.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Ergo, you haven't completely thought these things through.
    You could say so, Yes. There's also so many loopholes to consider not to mention the form of punishment that would be applied if abortion was ever deemed "murder". Again, I'm viewing things more from a personal belief aspect as opposed to a legal one.

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