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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    I find it only acceptable when rape or incest has occured. If used for convenience it's inherently immoral.
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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Once pregnant, I favor forcing women to have children against her wishes, unless the pregnancy endangers the woman's life or will cause serious physical harm.
    I'm curious about this point. Before the advent of modern medicine, pregnant women who were dying during childbirth often pleaded to their midwives to cut the baby out so it may have a shot at life. On the Titanic, women and children were valued more than men, and most will concur that protecting a child's life is more important than that of a grown adult. Finally, since those in the anti-abortion camp often argue that adoption should be encouraged among pregnant women facing the abortion decision, why would you take the stance of allowing the abortion to occur if the woman's life is in danger?

    I realize in the modern industrialized world, death by birth is rare, yet it still is an issue in the abortion debate. And if those who claim abortion is murder simply allow it to occur in the case of health dangers, then they are valuing the life of the mother over the life of a child. They are then willing to let "murder" occur on an "innocent child" to save the life of the mother despite the fact that they would rather abortion-prone women give custody of their children to another. It doesn't make sense morally, imho. Perhaps you could explain it. Because for those in the pro-choice movement, an aborted unwanted ZEF is less damaging than an unwanted born child becoming a ward of the state. It makes sense for us to choose the life of the mother over the life of the unborn, but it doesn't make sense for you to make that exception.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    I find it only acceptable when rape or incest has occured. If used for convenience it's inherently immoral.
    Morally, what is the difference?

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Morally, what is the difference?
    EXACTLY! This is what I don't understand regarding those in the anti-abortion camp yelling "murder" who make certain exceptions for "murder." Santorum, regardless of my opinion of his views, is at least consistent in his purist outlook.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Morally, what is the difference?
    If the woman was a willfull participant in the sexual act that impregnated her than I don't feel she has the right to terminate the life within her.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    If the woman was a willfull participant in the sexual act that impregnated her than I don't feel she has the right to terminate the life within her.
    If you view abortion as murder, then you are making an exception for murder.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    If you view abortion as murder, then you are making an exception for murder.
    You could say that, but I view it more along the lines of preventing someone whose rights have already been taken away from having to bear the product of said heinous crime.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    You could say that, but I view it more along the lines of preventing someone whose rights have already been taken away from having to bear the product of said heinous crime.
    But if you equalize the rights of citizen with said rights of the unborn, they are inherently the same. A more logical approach would be to compensate the victim, bring the perpetrator to justice, and protect the rights of a newly created citizen. Again, it makes no sense morally or logically.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    I am against abortion UNLESS it is either the woman or the unborn's life at stake. That is my only exception.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    But if you equalize the rights of citizen with said rights of the unborn, they are inherently the same. A more logical approach would be to compensate the victim, bring the perpetrator to justice, and protect the rights of a newly created citizen. Again, it makes no sense morally or logically.
    To be a pure pro-lifer you must declare:
    1. Women have no say over the biological parentage of their children. This is singularly determined by the man.
    2. Women have no right to have a father in her children's life.
    3. That a man has an inherent right to physically force women to have children against her will.

    That is the pure "pro-life" stance.

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