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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

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    But I'm asking you flat out: do you consider abortion MURDER?
    Yes and no. That is not a question that can be simply answered with a yes or a no with a mind like mine. I consistantly think on two different levels that are equal. One part of me thinks yes it is MURDER. The other part says no because you can only murder a person and a zygote/embryo has not been proven to be a person.
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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Meat is murder.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    What is your SOLUTION to a rise in illegal, unsafe abortions?
    Oh, yes we've had threads and threads on "what should the punishment be" etc. I'm quite suprised you haven't seen any of them.

    Anyway, to reiterate what I say every time I'm asked:
    The doctor, staff, and any other person "assisting in the performance of" an illegal abortion faces a Class 5 felony and permanent revocation of their license to practice. This includes the phisition himself on down to the individual who gave her a ride.

    The woman herself is a victim, is therefore not charged with any crime, but is required to attend existing social services to address the core motivators behind the abortion: which is typically economic.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I don't trust the source you have given and it doesn't cite any medical journals or other reputable evidence.
    Here is some the reference material those links used to make their statements. Forum character limits prevent me from posting all of it:

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    And when I was referring to death by self-induced pregnancies, I was mostly talking about worldly statistics.
    Crime, injury and duisease of every kind is always higher in undeveloped countries. I've seen this mistake in other forums as well, most notably gun control discussions. Please account for a region's economic health when making global generalizations.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes and no. That is not a question that can be simply answered with a yes or a no with a mind like mine. I consistantly think on two different levels that are equal. One part of me thinks yes it is MURDER. The other part says no because you can only murder a person and a zygote/embryo has not been proven to be a person.
    The second part has at least made a reasonable attempt to support the conviction, while the first part is just there- standing all by itself without any rational support mechanism. In matters of life and death, freedom and obstruction, health and wellness, we both better be damn sure before we push our reps to propose and sign bills into law. Maybe you should solidify your conviction and then come back to this thread.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Meat is murder.
    If you're a member of PETA, sure. But I don't see a carnivorous act of nature to be murder. And distinctions between murder and killing matter in this debate.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh, yes we've had threads and threads on "what should the punishment be" etc. I'm quite suprised you haven't seen any of them.

    Anyway, to reiterate what I say every time I'm asked:
    The doctor, staff, and any other person "assisting in the performance of" an illegal abortion faces a Class 5 felony and permanent revocation of their license to practice. This includes the phisition himself on down to the individual who gave her a ride.

    The woman herself is a victim, is therefore not charged with any crime, but is required to attend existing social services to address the core motivators behind the abortion: which is typically economic.
    I'm not surprised. Yet, as I said, if I were a pregnant woman intent on having an abortion living in your ideal world, I would do it as safely as possible within the privacy of my own home and then call my doctor to inform him I've just had a miscarriage. I'm sure that thought will cross the minds of many pregnant women who would then be forced to do it themselves. What then?

    And it doesn't make sense that you would see the woman as a victim, when it is clearly her conscious choice to commit herself to an abortion. She's just as aware of the consequences as the doctor and maybe even more aware than her driver.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Here is some the reference material those links used to make their statements. Forum character limits prevent me from posting all of it:




    Crime, injury and duisease of every kind is always higher in undeveloped countries. I've seen this mistake in other forums as well, most notably gun control discussions. Please account for a region's economic health when making global generalizations.
    I have. It still doesn't deviate from the fact that many women will try it at home where they won't be faced with scrutinizing pressure from authorities. If it happens to kids in this country after passing parental notification laws, it will certainly happen to adults if you eliminate abortions altogether.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    The second part has at least made a reasonable attempt to support the conviction, while the first part is just there- standing all by itself without any rational support mechanism. In matters of life and death, freedom and obstruction, health and wellness, we both better be damn sure before we push our reps to propose and sign bills into law. Maybe you should solidify your conviction and then come back to this thread.
    I have solidified it as much as is possible. I leave it to the individuals to make up thier own minds. IE I'm pro-choice.
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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I'm not surprised. Yet, as I said, if I were a pregnant woman intent on having an abortion living in your ideal world, I would do it as safely as possible within the privacy of my own home and then call my doctor to inform him I've just had a miscarriage. I'm sure that thought will cross the minds of many pregnant women who would then be forced to do it themselves. What then?
    If it were me, I wouldn't even try to hide it. I would straight out ask my doctor where I could get an abortion, if he 'knew a guy who knew a guy', to have it don my a licensed doctor in a clinic. He can't talk, because of doctor/patient confidentiality. He couldn't report me for smoking crack either. Same medical moral equivalent, same expectation of privacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    And it doesn't make sense that you would see the woman as a victim, when it is clearly her conscious choice to commit herself to an abortion. She's just as aware of the consequences as the doctor and maybe even more aware than her driver.
    My position doesn't follow the logic you're framing me with. Pro-choice typically assumes that pro-life hates women and therefore will take out our emotions on anyone we can.

    That assumption is false; based on your fears, not our intent.

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    I'm not saying abortion = suicide when I say abortion is like suicide in that what motivates a person to abortion is social-economic in nature. It's not necessarily how much cash she has in the bank, as it is her outlook on life, her attitude of where she is, what she wants to accomplish, and whether or not she can do it. I'm not saying abortion = drug addiction when I say like drug addictions and cutting, abortion is a symptom of the real problem, abortion doctors and staff take advantage of her for money, and when all is said and don she is no better off than she was before, meaning her root problems were not addressed.

    In all practicality she would have been better off adopting out the child and completing Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover. At least then a lot of problems in her life would have been improved on.
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