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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I'm ambivalent.
    Another way of saying you're confused.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Another way of saying you're confused.
    I don't think so.

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    I absolutely feel that if a woman thinks abortion is wrong she shouldn't have one. However, if a man feels abortion is wrong he shouldn't have one either.
    Last edited by kenvin; 02-08-12 at 08:04 PM.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    I'm not interested in a semantics debate. Another word for ambivalent is uncertain, undecided, unsure. Certainly that is at least comparable to confusion.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Another way of saying you're confused.
    You could call me confused as well...

    Since I tend to both oppose abortion and support a woman being able to choose what she does with her body.

    As contradictory as that may be.
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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You could call me confused as well...

    Since I tend to both oppose abortion and support a woman being able to choose what she does with her body.

    As contradictory as that may be.
    Well, I don't think anyone particular enjoys abortions or the idea of an abortion. But I think it's logically incoherent for a person to argue, "I'm against abortion, but I'm not going to impose my values on other people." My grandmother made that same argument to me. My first question to her was, "do you think abortion is murder." Her answer? "Yes." So, in that case, her argument equates to: "I'm against murder, but I'm not going to impose my values on other people."

    If you strongly believe abortion is murder, then it doesn't make any sense to logically argue it should be legal for others to commit an act you find to be murderous.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Well, I don't think anyone particular enjoys abortions or the idea of an abortion. But I think it's logically incoherent for a person to argue, "I'm against abortion, but I'm not going to impose my values on other people." My grandmother made that same argument to me. My first question to her was, "do you think abortion is murder." Her answer? "Yes." So, in that case, her argument equates to: "I'm against murder, but I'm not going to impose my values on other people."

    If you strongly believe abortion is murder, then it doesn't make any sense to logically argue it should be legal for others to commit an act you find to be murderous.
    I know.

    And I suppose I've just come to accept that my feelings/opinions on the matter don't make any sense.

    Or possibly, I'm not entirely sure myself that abortion could be classified as murder...

    Now, partial-birth abortions, although I understand they rarely occur, I would definitely classify as murder.

    Possibly even abortions after whatever point it is in the development of the fetus which scientists/doctors consider the point at which it becomes “viable”.

    But the rest…I just don’t know.
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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Well, I don't think anyone particular enjoys abortions or the idea of an abortion. But I think it's logically incoherent for a person to argue, "I'm against abortion, but I'm not going to impose my values on other people." My grandmother made that same argument to me. My first question to her was, "do you think abortion is murder." Her answer? "Yes." So, in that case, her argument equates to: "I'm against murder, but I'm not going to impose my values on other people."

    If you strongly believe abortion is murder, then it doesn't make any sense to logically argue it should be legal for others to commit an act you find to be murderous.
    Unless you are not opposed to murder in all cases.

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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Unless you are not opposed to murder in all cases.

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    I suppose if you're GG Allin (I posted a montage video of his song "legalize murder" but quickly removed it for fear of infraction).
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    Re: Where you stand on abortion in relation to women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Well, I don't think anyone particular enjoys abortions or the idea of an abortion. But I think it's logically incoherent for a person to argue, "I'm against abortion, but I'm not going to impose my values on other people." My grandmother made that same argument to me. My first question to her was, "do you think abortion is murder." Her answer? "Yes." So, in that case, her argument equates to: "I'm against murder, but I'm not going to impose my values on other people."

    If you strongly believe abortion is murder, then it doesn't make any sense to logically argue it should be legal for others to commit an act you find to be murderous.
    In the case of abortion it does make sense since the personhood of a zygote/embryo is what is at question. See I have no problem with the killing of animals for food or to just "thin the flock" so to speak because they are not "persons". As such the same would apply to a zygote/embryo if they are truely not persons. There is no science that can prove this one way or the other so at least for now it must be left up to the individual person's beliefs in the matter. Forcing a person to believe something that may or may not be true is imo like forcing a person to believe in a religious god that may or may not exist.
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