I favor forcing women to have children against her wishes.
I oppose forcing women to have children against her wishes.
When using invetro, the lab will try to fertilized more than one egg given there are only low odds of success at fertilization, and essentially always leaving fertilized embryos that will not and cannot be used. Getting one-egg-at-a time isn't really viable medical procedure. Now will they use obviously defective embryos.
Of those even used, it is known it likely only 1, if any, implanted will "take" to her uterus. This process is done with the woman's/parents permission. So in their desires to have a child they are creating a dozen or more fertilized embryos knowing that all but 1 will likely "die" and it maybe only a long shot that even 1 will.
So, by what you all are writing, those wanna-be parents and that lab murdered a dozen children. Their attempt to have a child really is mass murdering their children.
That is your claim, correct? They are murders of their own children. Mass murders in fact. Right? Couples who use invetro desperately wanting a child are in fact, according to you, really just the worse mass murders of children in the world by your morality/belief.
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There's a thing called a slash and it is used in the English language as a substitute for "or."Trial?
I think you've been watching to much CSI.
Investigation =/= trial.
Wow. No offense, but under your proposal one of two things will have to happen. Either we can maintain lax investigative procedures such as the one which faced your wife (and in which case, there will definitely be a sudden increase in the number of "miscarriages" across the country), or we can impose more intrusive investigative procedures that look at more than just paperwork. How would you like it if your wife was subjected to a cavity search in order to rule out a self-induced abortion?Yes a miscarriage should be investigated. Of course it should. You think this doesn't already happen today? When my wife had a miscarrage in NY in 2002, the state automaticaly performed an investigation to determin the age of the ZEF. As it was under the cut-off for abortion, the state did not continue it's investigation to determine the cause.
Trial. Pft whatever. There's no trial. It's a designated medical professional looking over paperwork. My wife and I were asked a few questions, it took about 5 minutes, if that.
Thus I have developed a theory..."Jerry" is an exceptional gamer, and though I am hesitant to state it....he should continue.
I personally would prefer an illusion of this unfortunate aspect of our little experiment Life), than wondering if I am actually in contact with it.
(2) Human life begins when sperm enters the egg, and the zygote is created. Do you disagree with that?
(3) You're assuming Jerry has said the sperm or the egg itself are human beings/developing human beings.
(4) *Sigh* Again, Jerry did not say that.
(5) Whatever point you think you're making, it's scientific fact that sperm + egg = zygote. The zygote is the very beginning of the life of a developing human.
(6) Which has no bearing on the issue because Jerry never said sperm = developing human.
(7) What Santorum does does not affect me or my views.
If the zygote does not stick to her womb, that is neither killing nor wrong. That there are many fertilized zygotes that will never have the chance to continue their natural development is saddening. I don't let size change my view of its importance. Perhaps we don't know what we are doing, when we do such things to acheive a certain goal.
Some people will see a Zygote as a living human being...others as a grouping of cells in a state of multiplication. Both can be correct in individual reality.
Thus, logically this debate becomes very personalized. How do you communicate constructively in this situation?