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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    They were a deterrent with the Soviets and with us because both sides simply had too much to lose if the weapons were used. Both sides, despite their differences, were reasonable enough to know that it would be madness to use even one of those weapons. The scary thing is if such a weapon falls into the hands of someone who is mad and doesn't understand the consequences or doesn't care.
    I'm not sure how much of a problem this actually is. A well-known IR theorist, Stephen Walt, made an interesting point once that 'mad' leaders are still surrounded by people who aren't crazy who would stop them if they wanted to irrationally unleash nuclear weapons.

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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm not sure how much of a problem this actually is. A well-known IR theorist, Stephen Walt, made an interesting point once that 'mad' leaders are still surrounded by people who aren't crazy who would stop them if they wanted to irrationally unleash nuclear weapons.
    Yeah, thats true. Kinda like a mad leader who wanted to genocide an entire race of people because they weren't Aryan. Or a mad leader that dropped nerve gas on an entire city in his own country. Someone was there to stop those guys too. Great theory by Mr Walt. What an idiot!
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Ask North Korea. The deterrent factor has certainly worked for them. You may not agree with Iran if they are seeking to produce nuclear arms, but you cannot deny their reasoning for doing so.
    It's not their nukes, it's their artillery that threatens 20+ million people that makes a war impossible
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm not sure how much of a problem this actually is. A well-known IR theorist, Stephen Walt, made an interesting point once that 'mad' leaders are still surrounded by people who aren't crazy who would stop them if they wanted to irrationally unleash nuclear weapons.
    Red Storm Rising also includes that aspect, though I didn't focus much on it. Interesting theory
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    I understand people's concerns with potentially mad governments and such, but I have to call anybody who thinks nuclear war is possible now legally insane
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yeah, thats true. Kinda like a mad leader who wanted to genocide an entire race of people because they weren't Aryan. Or a mad leader that dropped nerve gas on an entire city in his own country. Someone was there to stop those guys too. Great theory by Mr Walt. What an idiot!
    He's talking about nuclear weapons not genocide. In other words, his theory does not make any claims about what those around a "crazy person" would do when it comes to genocide. Let me explain why a theory about nuclear weapons does not apply to a theory about genocide: Genocide puts a segment of society at stake. Nuclear war puts the entire nation at stake and perhaps an entire region or the world. Higher stakes equals more caution.

    When a theory is specifically about nuclear weapons and the specific implications that come with it, bringing up genocide doesn't do anything to the theory. It's just a red herring.

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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    He's talking about nuclear weapons not genocide. In other words, his theory does not make any claims about what those around a "crazy person" would do when it comes to genocide. Let me explain why a theory about nuclear weapons does not apply to a theory about genocide: Genocide puts a segment of society at stake. Nuclear war puts the entire nation at stake and perhaps an entire region or the world. Higher stakes equals more caution.

    When a theory is specifically about nuclear weapons and the specific implications that come with it, bringing up genocide doesn't do anything to the theory. It's just a red herring.
    It's more about doing stupid things. Committing genocide and using nukes offensively are stupid things. Doing either will incur the wrath of the rest of the world and cause far more problems than it solves. Mostly likely either one will result in the beheading of the leadership (figuratively or literally).
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm not sure how much of a problem this actually is. A well-known IR theorist, Stephen Walt, made an interesting point once that 'mad' leaders are still surrounded by people who aren't crazy who would stop them if they wanted to irrationally unleash nuclear weapons.
    So, basically that tool of a terrorist in True Lies wouldn't be likely to actually happen.

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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    He's talking about nuclear weapons not genocide. In other words, his theory does not make any claims about what those around a "crazy person" would do when it comes to genocide. Let me explain why a theory about nuclear weapons does not apply to a theory about genocide: Genocide puts a segment of society at stake. Nuclear war puts the entire nation at stake and perhaps an entire region or the world. Higher stakes equals more caution.

    When a theory is specifically about nuclear weapons and the specific implications that come with it, bringing up genocide doesn't do anything to the theory. It's just a red herring.
    I beg to differ. When the nuclear weapon will be used as a tool of genocide, such as the scenario Iran speaks of where they nuke Israel in order to wipe them off the face of the earth, I believe its pretty relavent. In addition, which takes more hate and insanity? Allowing the murder, torture, slavery, and starvation of a people for many years or the split second decision to push a button? The first is much more calculating and takes a level of sickness and evil rarely seen. The second can be done in a flash of anger, without much foresight, and then regretted (maybe). I would bank on a split second of anger being much more easily accomplished than a few years of sickness. The scary thing is, the first one happens a lot. The second is just a matter of us and other nuclearly responsible nations flinching when Iran tries to flew its muscle. All it will take is a few years of us balking at taking the capability from Iran before the above scenario is a reality.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    It's more about doing stupid things. Committing genocide and using nukes offensively are stupid things. Doing either will incur the wrath of the rest of the world and cause far more problems than it solves. Mostly likely either one will result in the beheading of the leadership (figuratively or literally).
    A lot of things are stupid. Not allowing democracy is stupid. But there are levels of stupid. Committing genocide is a high level of stupid, but it's not a guaranteed suicide mission. Many governments who have committed genocide have stayed in power. The United States attacked Hitler, not because of genocide, but because of his attempt to pretty much conquer Europe. So while genocide causes more problems than it solves, it does not at all put a nation at risk even close to the level that using a nuclear weapon on another state would put them. That's why his theory is about nukes and not anything else. Nukes are completely different ball game.

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