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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There actually were two dirty bombs that got stopped prior to assembly targeting NYC IIRC but they def. got stopped post 9/11 and were supposed to be a second wave of the terrorist attacks. You have exactly expressed the first thing Iran would be capable of, the people there aren't suicidal but their government actually might launch a nuke from Iran just for the hell of it, they are that nuts in the leadership.
    No, they wouldn't do that because they don't have to. They aren't suicidal. They pay their crazy terrorist minions to be suicidal. My guess is that they'd launch from the Sinai, and pretend they don't have any idea how that horrible thing happened, while pointing an accusing finger at Egypt.

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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The US may attempt a counterstrike, which Allah would protect them from, and the 13th Imam would return, leading the Persian people to their rightful place at the center of the Faith and the center of the World.
    Unfortunately, that sort of irrational zealotry is very possible in Iran. Recall the Basijee martyrs during the Iran-Iraq War: waves of human mine sweepers as young as 12 marching straight across Iraqi mine fields and straight into Iraqi machine gun fire.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    [QUOTE=DiAnna;1060163760]No, they wouldn't do that because they don't have to. They aren't suicidal. [/quote

    well, they don't have to be. See: Allah Will Not Allow Them To Lose.

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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Having more weapons (and thus power) is always preferable to having less.
    But having just enough weapons to get you completely annihilated is rather short-sighted.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    No, they wouldn't do that because they don't have to. They aren't suicidal.
    well, they don't have to be. See: Allah Will Not Allow Them To Lose.
    Governments just want power, not death. They pay others to die for them, others who believe that Allah will not allow them to lose.

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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Governments just want power, not death. They pay others to die for them, others who believe that Allah will not allow them to lose.
    But sometimes, when those in power are about to be overthrown by an advancing army they pull the temple down upon themselves (and their people) just for spite, rather than surrender. Think of Hitler and Tojo during WWII.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    No, they wouldn't do that because they don't have to. They aren't suicidal. They pay their crazy terrorist minions to be suicidal. My guess is that they'd launch from the Sinai, and pretend they don't have any idea how that horrible thing happened, while pointing an accusing finger at Egypt.
    I hope you are right about that DiAnna. I had heard on a few radio programs, one being Coast to Coast A.M. from a few middle east scholars that a few of the mullahs and Ajmedenijad(sp?) subscribe to the belief that they will reveal the 12th Imam by starting WWIII, a few other programs that aren't coming to mind ATM had similar guests on. If that is the case and not simply an opinion we are all in trouble. C2C is kind of 1/2 truth and 1/2 fantasy so I don't really put total weight on their programming but when I keep hearing it from other sources it does concern me.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Anymore nuclear weapons are not a deterrent. Look at Iran, if Iran really had nukes do you seriously think they would use them? Iran would never use a nuke because they knew the minute they did they would be glassed. Perhaps in the past it was a deterrent, nowadays it is a show of power. Look at it like a nice gated community having a quiet battle over who has the best lawn, and best kept house, except they are nuclear weapons. They want it just because we have it and people will listen to them if they have it. For some countries it is more of a bargaining chip.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Remember when the world was going to go bonkers if USSR/DPRK/China acquired nuclear weapons?
    We said their leaders were ****ing crazy (which are)...
    You don't think the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis and all the crap that went with communist dictatorships having nukes was a problem? You don't think nK is a problem? And who ever gave a crap about Chinese nukes? They're isolationist, except for their recent foray into Africa (which is entirely economical), and they're not terrorists.


    Why can Israel be the only people in the middle east with nukes?
    Because they're the only modern western liberal democracy in the mideast?

    Surely you see some kind of difference between Israel and theocratic monarchies.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 02-01-12 at 04:39 AM.

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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Only incidentally. If Iraq had used nuclear weapons on US troops, they would have destroyed their own country.

    Now. A suitcase bomb in New York City? Whole different animal.
    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The posts in this thread have pretty much covered the topic. Yes, having nukes is a deterrent... which is why every country that doesn't have nukes wants them or will want them as soon as they feel threatened.

    Eventually, all of the countries who want them will have them. Genie is out of the bottle, and we're not going to get the top back on... ever. When that happens, rogue nations (like Iran, NK and others) will not be shooting them from their own soil. They'll be selling them to others or giving them to their own lackeys to be set off at remote locations... like Tel Aviv or NYC.

    Like Risky Thicket, I don't believe it's a question of "if", it's a question of "when". If Iran's nuclear program is destroyed this year, I don't think WWIII will break out, and I do think it will be at least another decade before Iran comes this close again. But when Iran has a nuke, I believe it will definitely use the nuke in a manner that they can deny responsibility. That is when WWIII will break out.

    I hope I'm long gone by then. It's my kids and grandkids that I truly worry about, and what kind of world awaits them.
    This is the big threat from Iranian nukes, not nukes on missiles, which they will probably keep around as a military deterrent, but nukes built for "personal delivery". The Cold War was bad enough (and I'm not so sure it was all "crazy" - but that's a different subject) but a terrorist with a bomb really is scary. With luck nuclear forensics could identify the material used so maybe we could "blame" someone - though I'm not sure how much real good that would do us if there's a radioactive hole in the middle of NYC or the Maryland/Virginia countryside. But scary as it is it's something we had better prepare for and learn to guard against because it won't get any less likely as time goes by. In fact, I'm surprised we've managed to keep the genie as bottled up as we have.

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