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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?
    Yes. If you know I have a gun you would think twice before attacking me with yours.
    And why is that Americans thought the soviets wanted to take over the USA? What would they do it anyway?

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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    The best answer is maybe. It's not yes because not all countries are alike and it's not no because some countries will be deterred by facing a like armed political opponent. Basically it comes down to the power structure of those holding the nukes. Russia was certainly deterred by U.S. held arms as was the U.S. deterred by Russia for the simple reason that the governments still were accountable to the people within and it would have been a mutual suicide both politically and from a human loss standpoint, both governments would have destabalized after a nuclear war and above all that still showed concern in different ways for their people.

    China could possibly be deterred in it's current form because it is somewhere in the middle of accountability, yes they have human rights abuses but are showing signs of mild decentralization. Either way the power is in a handful of people who realize a nuclear war is a last resort. The people of Iran by all accounts are lovely humans, but their government sucks, it's run by people who hold absolute power and they have shown a disregard for the safety of their own citizens in the past, there are no good variables to stop them from launching if they felt like it and that is a problem. At least with N. Korea the military and Kim family realize they would be wiped off the map if unilateral nuclear attacks were launched making it debateable that even those crackpots would go full nuclear on a whim.

    I'm getting long winded but.............the answer is definitely maybe.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Lets say Iran is making a nuclear bomb (no one knows thats why the UN team is there), lets say they are and they do.. Who gives a ****?
    That's rather childish. You have much to learn about the world.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    I think the threat of nuclear force is a deterrent to rational people. Not everyone who leads a country is necessarily rational though.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Therin lies the rub...yes, Nukes can stop a war. Yet we all get to live with the fear some crazy F@cks gonna do something stupid.

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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I think the threat of nuclear force is a deterrent to rational people. Not everyone who leads a country is necessarily rational though.
    Right, but people at the top are generally a little more savvy and realistic to the possible repercussions.

    For example, it seems to be relatively easy to convince some schmuck to be a suicide bomber with the promises of martyrdom and rewards in heaven, but you don't see leaders of countries doing this, nor do you see them sending their immediate family members to do this.

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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's rather childish. You have much to learn about the world.
    Remember when the world was going to go bonkers if USSR/DPRK/China acquired nuclear weapons?
    We said their leaders were ****ing crazy (which are)...
    Why can Israel be the only people in the middle east with nukes?


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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Only incidentally. If Iraq had used nuclear weapons on US troops, they would have destroyed their own country.

    Now. A suitcase bomb in New York City? Whole different animal.
    It must be really easy to find weapons grade plutonium for sale in the US.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Remember when the world was going to go bonkers if USSR/DPRK/China acquired nuclear weapons?
    Another ridiculously silly statement. "Remember," indeed. Were you even alive when the USSR existed? Nothing from you leads me to think you could have been. "Remember" the 1940s? Really? What a pitiably asinine statement.

    And, I dunno; the USSR obtaining nuclear weapons led to situations which nearly destroyed the entire world at least once. Likely more.

    The entire world lived in fear of annihilation for decades. You have no idea what it was it like.

    Seriously, this is laugh-out-loud stupid. At least open a book once in a while, and don't stick just to the parts which seem to confirm what you already think you know.


    Why can Israel be the only people in the middle east with nukes?
    First, there's no proof that they have them. Second, they're not an offensive threat (if they were, they'd have been used by now). Third, Israel isn't run by a bat****, apocalyptic theocracy. Fourth, Israel doesn't sponsor terrorist groups which attack other nations, which they could arm with nukes. Fifth, Israel hasn't threatened the flow of shipping through the Strait of Hormuz or anywhere else. Sixth, it doesn't even matter, because Israel's got little to do with it. It would be a bad thing for Iran to have nukes, period.
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    Re: Are nuclear weapons a deterrent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Another ridiculously silly statement. "Remember," indeed. Were you even alive when the USSR existed? Nothing from you leads me to think you could have been. "Remember" the 1940s? Really? What a pitiably asinine statement.

    And, I dunno; the USSR obtaining nuclear weapons led to situations which nearly destroyed the entire world at least once.

    The entire world lived in fear of annihilation for decades. You have no idea what it was it like.

    Seriously, this is laugh-out-loud stupid. At least open a book once in a while, and don't stick just to the parts which seem to confirm what you already think you know.
    You don't think that air raid rehearsals in grade school were ridiculous? How about those fallout shelters? Yes, the world went a little bit bonkers during the Cold War. Yes. Yes, they did.

    This lady says it best:

    The notion of the atomic bomb was a ubiquitous background discourse: films showing atomic bomb tests and Japanese WWII footage; "duck & cover" exercises for schoolroom; daily tests of the Emergency Broadcast System on radio; tests of air raid sirens; jokes about what to do if an atomic attack occurred ("bend over and kiss your ass good-bye!"); news on Soviet arms build-up, Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis; etc. Part of the general foreboding (background "noise") of everyday life. In high school, protesting Vietnam War, the subtext would eventually unravel to the topic of Ultimate Destruction. Looking up at the moon and stars, reflecting with friends about LIFE (as teenagers do, I suppose), the choice seemed to be between First Strike or Silent Spring.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

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