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All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume. -Noam Chomsky
It seems so strange to me that some still can not realize that nuclear weapons are the strongest deterrents...
One example of not having a nuclear deterrent and paying the consequences is when Gaddafi of Libya gave up plans for a bomb and as a result was overthrown.
Iran is very aware of this fact and is determined not to make the same mistake, which of course, and for good reason, is a disturbing thought.
Your #1 is a good point. World opinion is another. The US still has a certain stigma from Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
(I've been over all those arguments and I still think we did the right thing.)
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Well, the only other option being considered at the time was an full-scale invasion of ground forces in Japan. It's widely assumed that total casualties would have been higher in that case, especially for the Americans about whom Truman was first and foremost concerned. Remember Japan didn't even surrender after the first one was dropped on Hiroshima. It wasn't until we dropped the second one and they came to believe we could mass produce a-bombs that they gave up.
As churchill would have put it, "Dropping the bomb was the worst thing we could have done. Except for all the other options."
Plus, its an excuse to test your new superweapon - grim but true. We'd probably be largely ignorant to a lot of the nasty radiation effects of nuclear weapons if no one had even dropped one on a populated city. Now we have a healthy respect for fallout.
Nuclear deterrence is NOT the "ultimate protection." It works on some levels but not others. Did it work to stop the US and USSR from destroying each other? Yes! But this is a distinct circumstance that is not often repeated.
Did nuclear deterrence protect the US from 9/11 attacks? Did it stop Soviet pilots from engaging American pilots in Korea and Vietnam? Did it protect our troops in Iraq (both times) and in Afghanistan? Did it protect out troops in Bosnia and Mogadishu and Beirut? If a terrorist wanted to set off a homemade nuke (supplied by Iran) dead in the middle of New York, would our Trident missiles protect us?
If your enemy's most means to attack you is a nuke, then your possession of a nuke is a good deterrent. Otherwise varying circumstances may determine that sometimes nukes work as a deterrent and sometimes not. If Iran built one nuke or even ten, do you honestly think that would stop the US from attacking and destroying those weapons?