View Poll Results: What is the best form of democracy?

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  • Representative

    19 59.38%
  • Direct

    4 12.50%
  • Other

    4 12.50%
  • It's all good

    1 3.13%
  • It's all BS

    1 3.13%
  • I don't know

    1 3.13%
  • There are superior systems than democracy

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Thread: Representative vs Direct Democracy

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Representative democracy. With a direct democracy, there would be no protection for minority status members. I don't favor special rights for minorities, but equal rights should be protected for all.
    There wasn't protection for minority status members with the U.S. having a representative democracy either.

    A nation can be a direct democracy with majority rule but minority protections too.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Going a little OT, but samsmart's post triggered this in my mind...

    One thing that we do, that I absolutely detest and believe we should abolish, is the ability of non-elected boards and committees to enact rules and laws. Don't get me wrong, I believe we should have boards and committees. I just don't think they should be enacting rules and laws, only suggesting and/or enforcing them. We should opt for either one of the two following...

    1) Make said board/committee members subject to election by the general public (in the cases of Congressional committees, they already are),

    or

    2) Said boards/committees can only suggest rules and laws, which then much be forwarded to the appropriate popularly elected legislature for approval or disapproval.

    Either option would be fine with me. People who make/approve/rescind rules and laws should always be directly answerable to the general public.
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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    its all BS...do you ever get what you want, does any gov member ever actually help you? all it is is rich people tending to their needs.

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Right. It wouldn't be corrupt, but it would be chaos.
    LOL! I won't deny that!


    I still think the Electoral College is a relic, though.
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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    I think representative is better than direct.

    The problem with representative is that when/if the people who choose those representatives become complacent/lazy, it tends to allow said representatives to gain too much power

    As we see currently (IMO).

    I personally think one of the key ways to counter that is a well-educated population.

    Which we also are having issues with.
    Education.

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    You'd have to make a good case to convince me of your first point. I think any time the government has the ability to choose who can vote, you know they're going to abuse that power.
    The problem is that we get a much less useful government when we allow the morons and imbeciles to vote. We get exactly what we have right now, which is rancid at best and totally unredeemable in my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    As far as a foundational document, as you mentioned before, documents don't act as magical shields against government guns. Since presumable the government is responsible for deciding what the foundational document says, they can do what they want and claim it is legitimate.
    The document we have currently, yes. The document I envision (which would not be able to be amended), much less so. As I said, it needs to be written like a contract, not a philosophical document.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    But to get back to the original question, for any community larger than a small town, I would choose representative democracy over direct democracy.

    My contention is that the flaws of democracy are ameliorated by limiting the functions over which the government may exercise authority. The less that is up for democratic rule, the better. Things like religion, speech, etc should be off limits to democratic rule.
    I am not in favor of democracy, direct or limited. I'm an Authoritarian, because I cannot trust the citizenry of this nation to make the right decisions.

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Direct democracy is not feasible, because most people would be too occupied in other daily affairs to do politics directly. Some countries tend to use direct democracy, because they are small enough to have all the citizens togethered to discussion public affairs.

    I think representative democracy would be the mainstream form of democracy, because:1. representatives/MPs/congressmen would be professional enough to deal with legislation etc;
    2. the common people would have time to have their own private time, they just elect representatives and watch them.

    Some forms of direct democracy could be applied, too, such as referendum. In constitution-making or remarkable social events, referendum could be used. Not so democratic as China is, when the State Council (China's Cabinet) and the National People's Congress (China's top legislature) make regulations and laws, they would put the drafts public waiting for public opinion. This can be considered as a good form of direct democracy. I noticed that in many democratic countries, law drafts are publicized for public opinion.

    Democracy is a delicate craft. Bad democracy leads to mob rule or tyranny. Hitler was ELECTED to be the head of Germany. So did Mubarak. During the Cultural Revolution, Mao-style "direct democracy"--the mass overwhelm the local authorities by violence-- resulted to great social disaster in China.
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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post

    I am not in favor of democracy, direct or limited. I'm an Authoritarian, because I cannot trust the citizenry of this nation to make the right decisions.
    Some leads would make good decisions, but they tend to make profit of their political power first....

    From an authoritative country as I am, I can't agree with you. The authority are so inferior in wisdom. They are sometimes too stupid and selfish to bear!!!

    Talking about China's economic achievements, It's just because China used to be too poor....
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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by oliveryty View Post
    Some leads would make good decisions, but they tend to make profit of their political power first....

    From an authoritative country as I am, I can't agree with you. The authority are so inferior in wisdom. They are sometimes too stupid and selfish to bear!!!

    Talking about China's economic achievements, It's just because China used to be too poor....
    I'm not so sure that China is the best example of what I'm looking for. Obviously Power has the potential to corrupt. There are ways to lessen that potential, but the topic of this thread is Democracy, not Authoritarianism, so I'll save that discussion for another time and place.

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