View Poll Results: What is the best form of democracy?

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  • Representative

    19 59.38%
  • Direct

    4 12.50%
  • Other

    4 12.50%
  • It's all good

    1 3.13%
  • It's all BS

    1 3.13%
  • I don't know

    1 3.13%
  • There are superior systems than democracy

    2 6.25%
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Thread: Representative vs Direct Democracy

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Representative democracy. With a direct democracy, there would be no protection for minority status members.
    Were Indian minorities protected in the US representative democracy?

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Were Indian minorities protected in the US representative democracy?
    Do individual anecdotes toss out the general rule?

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Do individual anecdotes toss out the general rule?
    You mean like this one?

    What is democracy? Two wolves and a sheep deciding whats for dinner.
    Last edited by Canell; 01-31-12 at 05:27 PM.

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    You mean like this one?
    No. That's rhetoric.

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    My thoughts are two-fold...

    1. You need to restrict the voices to those who are actually Educated and Informed on the concepts of Governance.

    2. You need a foundational document that is written like a contract/legal document not a philosophical one. The language needs to be plain and simple.

    ie... The Second Amendment would read: The US Government shall not engage in any policy that restricts the Right of The People to own any weapons or exercise their Right to Self-Defense.
    Okay, I'm back.

    You'd have to make a good case to convince me of your first point. I think any time the government has the ability to choose who can vote, you know they're going to abuse that power.

    As far as a foundational document, as you mentioned before, documents don't act as magical shields against government guns. Since presumable the government is responsible for deciding what the foundational document says, they can do what they want and claim it is legitimate.

    But to get back to the original question, for any community larger than a small town, I would choose representative democracy over direct democracy.

    My contention is that the flaws of democracy are ameliorated by limiting the functions over which the government may exercise authority. The less that is up for democratic rule, the better. Things like religion, speech, etc should be off limits to democratic rule.

    In fact, the more I think about it, I find it hard to imagine any particular decision that is better made collectively by a majority rather than being made by individuals.

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    I am wholly against direct democracy because it is convoluted, costly, and highly prone to corruption. As a whole, I'm against democracy in general. As Winston Churchill stated, the greatest argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with your average voter.

    Representative democracies have a better track record, specifically in populations of advanced society where people cannot keep up with the reality as it's laid out in front of them.

    Long story short, stupid people should be limited in "rights".

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Long story short, stupid people should be limited in "rights".
    And who will decide who is stupid and who isn't?

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I am wholly against direct democracy because it is convoluted, costly, and highly prone to corruption.
    That's a new twist. Everything I've read leads me to believe the exact opposite. Lack of corruption is one of the selling points of a direct democracy.

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's a new twist. Everything I've read leads me to believe the exact opposite. Lack of corruption is one of the selling points of a direct democracy.
    Right. It wouldn't be corrupt, but it would be chaos.

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    Re: Representative vs Direct Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Sorry, I hope you won't find the smiley offensive (or the poll for that matter). After all the grenade is off, not on.

    Anyway, I would like to live in a direct democracy society. Representative democracy is somewhat tricky, imho - it legitimates power and creates the impression that people are in charge which they are not.

    What do you think?
    I think the best form of government is a representative democracy with aspects of direct democracy to serve as a check.

    Representative democracy is great because it allows specialists and experts determined by the people to make policies on which they are an expert. However, corruption and bribery is a serious problem in such cases.

    Therefore, there should be procedures of direct democracy that allow the people to directly override actions seen as corrupt done by representatives.

    That would be my preferred mix of types of government.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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