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which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?


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ah. "fairness". so, for example, do you think it is "fair" for all of my uncles' employees to lose their jobs?
It's funny how definitions come about regarding fairness. "Thanks for paying taxes during your wealth accumulation, it's only fair that the accumulated value is subject to a different tax when you transfer to those you care about because John Doe fast food worker doesn't have as much as you do because he didn't make sacrifices, but that's irrelevant we want to be "fair"".
 
It's funny how definitions come about regarding fairness. "Thanks for paying taxes during your wealth accumulation, it's only fair that the accumulated value is subject to a different tax when you transfer to those you care about because John Doe fast food worker doesn't have as much as you do because he didn't make sacrifices, but that's irrelevant we want to be "fair"".

their definition of fair basically comes down to anything that justifies the federal government taking more money from those who make more than they do.

you can pay 10 billion in taxes and get nothing but the same vote as some clown on welfare because he has been freebasing for 20 years but if he actually pays a slightly higher overall percentage of his income-even if his income is mostly paid for by us taxpayers-on the sales taxes for pipes and razor blades than the billionaire pays the lefties will claim the billionaire isn't paying enough
 
it has everything to do with need, if people weren't so sensitive about money they did not even earn then we would not be having this debate. I see no reason that anybody needs 5 million in inheritance, and if they do a 35% tax is nothing to them.

You don't understand, the 1st $5 million is tax free, it's only the remainder that is taxed
 
You don't understand, the 1st $5 million is tax free, it's only the remainder that is taxed


and Obama and l lots of dems want to drop the exemption down to 1 million and jack the rates way up
 
It's funny how definitions come about regarding fairness. "Thanks for paying taxes during your wealth accumulation, it's only fair that the accumulated value is subject to a different tax when you transfer to those you care about because John Doe fast food worker doesn't have as much as you do because he didn't make sacrifices, but that's irrelevant we want to be "fair"".


Well, what I don't get is how it seems they visualize this wealth. As though millionaires kept money-vaults a'la Scrooge McDuck, and they were just taking a portion of that.
 
Inherited wealth is anti American. It runs contrary both to our opposition to aristocracy and the American Dream of self made success.

First, power in this country is meant to be accountable to the people, and not simply handed off to one's descendants. Everyone with half a brain knows that wealth translates directly into power in this country, and so the ability to pass wealth on stagnates power in the hands of an un-elected elite. Our democratic system was created entirely in opposition to the English aristocracy, and so to mirror it through an informal and thus less accountable monetary system is to betray everything this country was founded on.

Second, in this country, we have the ideal of equal opportunity to succeed for everyone. Starting out rich hardly qualifies. Ensuring that no one is born into poverty is infinitely more important and more moral than protecting inheritance. If we were really serious about a commitment to equal opportunity, and giving everyone a chance to succeed, taxing inheritance and massive fortunes to pay for programs to eliminate poverty would the most appropriate means to do this. It's honestly shameful that the wealthy in this country care so much more for their bank accounts than for living, breathing human beings who are suffering.

These are ideological maxims. I would not advocate abolition of inheritance in its entirety, only that it be subordinate to more important social pressures. Private wealth at the expense of public good is anti American and unpatriotic. And we should use taxes to accomplish the more important goals. Once everyone is taken care of, then those who contribute more to society, like inventors, leaders, artists, and scientists, should be able to do whatever they want to with their leftovers. But the advancement of overall public good (which, of course, makes the whole county wealthier and more prosperous) is much more important.
 
Well, what I don't get is how it seems they visualize this wealth. As though millionaires kept money-vaults a'la Scrooge McDuck, and they were just taking a portion of that.
A lot of people think wealth is a "zero sum" game, in that they believe if someone else attains it the pot gets smaller. The ridiculous nature of this is that they spend more time worrying about what the other guy has than learning how to get there. It only accomplishes taking money out of the private sector that would have been used for maintaining, expanding, or expenditures that can only grow an economy. Even money in an account grows the economy by allowing for loans and investments. These pro-taxers don't tend to show an understanding of the importance of building an estate not only for personal benefit but that it has a net positive aggregate effect on the rest of the economy.
 
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I pay 15% on investment income-the HIGHEST RATE

Yes, we know that you receive a preferential and discriminatory rate on capital gains which permits you to pay some 60% less than others do on the same money earned as salary or wages.

That is a disgraceful abomination which must be stopped.

But thank you for the admission.
 
Inherited wealth is anti American. It runs contrary both to our opposition to aristocracy and the American Dream of self made success.

First, power in this country is meant to be accountable to the people, and not simply handed off to one's descendants. Everyone with half a brain knows that wealth translates directly into power in this country, and so the ability to pass wealth on stagnates power in the hands of an un-elected elite. Our democratic system was created entirely in opposition to the English aristocracy, and so to mirror it through an informal and thus less accountable monetary system is to betray everything this country was founded on.

Second, in this country, we have the ideal of equal opportunity to succeed for everyone. Starting out rich hardly qualifies. Ensuring that no one is born into poverty is infinitely more important and more moral than protecting inheritance. If we were really serious about a commitment to equal opportunity, and giving everyone a chance to succeed, taxing inheritance and massive fortunes to pay for programs to eliminate poverty would the most appropriate means to do this. It's honestly shameful that the wealthy in this country care so much more for their bank accounts than for living, breathing human beings who are suffering.

These are ideological maxims. I would not advocate abolition of inheritance in its entirety, only that it be subordinate to more important social pressures. Private wealth at the expense of public good is anti American and unpatriotic. And we should use taxes to accomplish the more important goals. Once everyone is taken care of, then those who contribute more to society, like inventors, leaders, artists, and scientists, should be able to do whatever they want to with their leftovers. But the advancement of overall public good (which, of course, makes the whole county wealthier and more prosperous) is much more important.

many of the highest earning women tennis players were blessed with the genes of extremely athletic parents

how are you going to prevent that sort of inequality. Both my parents were extremely well educated and tested on the far right of the bell curve. Again that gave me a huge advantage. and look at all those models-they got the beauty genes that lead to millions of dollars

so if you wanna whine about having industrious parents maybe you want to tax Andre Agassi and Steffi Graf's children for having parents with off the chart athletic talent.
 
In theory, if I didn't have to worry about any practical issues, abolishing inheritance would be the way to go. Use the money collected to give everybody a much better life. For example, you could easily provide free health care, free education, and eliminate the sales and property taxes while still covering the entire deficit and starting to pay down the debt if you had a 100% estate tax. People would thrive or flounder based more on their own efforts than on those of their parents.

But, in reality that isn't practical. People wouldn't just leave all the money to the government that they leave to their kids today. They'd find ways to sneak it to their kids and evade the estate tax. People would have to move out of their own homes when a parent dies. Small family businesses would need to be sold off. The practical concerns are too great, so I voted for a 1 million exemption. That doesn't totally solve all the practical issues, but it lessens them to a manageable level.
 
Yes, we know that you receive a preferential and discriminatory rate on capital gains which permits you to pay some 60% less than others do on the same money earned as salary or wages.

That is a disgraceful abomination which must be stopped.

But thank you for the admission.

again that is based on your irrational attempts to compare apples to oranges and your irrational denial that dividends are not taxed twice

envy is the abomination that must be stopped

and when you start paying as much taxes as I do, you might have some credibility with me to whine about me getting "preferential treatment"
 
In theory, if I didn't have to worry about any practical issues, abolishing inheritance would be the way to go. Use the money collected to give everybody a much better life. For example, you could easily provide free health care, free education, and eliminate the sales and property taxes while still covering the entire deficit and starting to pay down the debt if you had a 100% estate tax. People would thrive or flounder based more on their own efforts than on those of their parents.

But, in reality that isn't practical. People wouldn't just leave all the money to the government that they leave to their kids today. They'd find ways to sneak it to their kids and evade the estate tax. People would have to move out of their own homes when a parent dies. Small family businesses would need to be sold off. The practical concerns are too great, so I voted for a 1 million exemption. That doesn't totally solve all the practical issues, but it lessens them to a manageable level.

go ahead, lead the charge to confiscate everyone's wealth when they die. I know what would happen if you tried to do that
 
When you folks show the same passion and ardor to curb our run-away spending....have the guts to take the cuts that's going to entail...then maybe you'll have something. Just screaming for everybody to pay more taxes is getting old.

Ya'll are playing right into the hands of the biggest spendthrift government in the history of the world.
 
When you folks show the same passion and ardor to curb our run-away spending....have the guts to take the cuts that's going to entail...then maybe you'll have something. Just screaming for everybody to pay more taxes is getting old.

Ya'll are playing right into the hands of the biggest spendthrift government in the history of the world.

Lenin had a word for those people-USEFUL FOOLS

and that is a great post

notice that none of the tax hikers who whine that investors aren't paying enough have never answered the questions put to them as to why the government really NEEDS the money and has used it WISELY
 
When you folks show the same passion and ardor to curb our run-away spending....have the guts to take the cuts that's going to entail...then maybe you'll have something. Just screaming for everybody to pay more taxes is getting old.

Ya'll are playing right into the hands of the biggest spendthrift government in the history of the world.

President Obama's latest proposal was for $4 trillion in deficit reduction. $3 trillion of that was spending cuts, only $1 trillion was revenues. The Democrats on the super committee proposed $3 trillion in deficit reduction, just under $1 trillion of that was revenues. So I guess we "have something", eh?
 
many of the highest earning women tennis players were blessed with the genes of extremely athletic parents

how are you going to prevent that sort of inequality. Both my parents were extremely well educated and tested on the far right of the bell curve. Again that gave me a huge advantage. and look at all those models-they got the beauty genes that lead to millions of dollars

so if you wanna whine about having industrious parents maybe you want to tax Andre Agassi and Steffi Graf's children for having parents with off the chart athletic talent.

This is patently absurd. Nobody is denying what you describe here. And nobody is trying to prevent it.
 
President Obama's latest proposal was for $4 trillion in deficit reduction. $3 trillion of that was spending cuts, only $1 trillion was revenues. The Democrats on the super committee proposed $3 trillion in deficit reduction, just under $1 trillion of that was revenues. So I guess we "have something", eh?

since everyone seems to agree on the cuts why not do them and not wait for the punish the rich nonsense that Obama screams for and you seem enamored with
 
This is patently absurd. Nobody is denying what you describe here. And nobody is trying to prevent it.

Its the same mentality-whining that others had better fortunes of birth
 
Lenin had a word for those people-USEFUL FOOLS

and that is a great post

notice that none of the tax hikers who whine that investors aren't paying enough have never answered the questions put to them as to why the government really NEEDS the money and has used it WISELY

I never met LENIN but I know what useful fools are. Right libertarians who would so castrate the power of the federal government that we end up with a fascist corporatocracy where even those useful fools eventually end up in the camps. Maybe out of consideration for their service they will be able to ride their in a limo?
 
Its the same mentality-whining that others had better fortunes of birth

This is this - this isn't something else.

You need to learn the difference.
 
Actually not. We can define what it income any way we want to define it as long as it involves money or wealth being acquired by a person that they did not previously have as their own. There are no hard and fast rules for the acquisition of money or wealth and a fine line between what is income and what is not. This equal exchange of value nonsense is but one example of making crap up as you go along to fit what you want the definition to say. Last night one poster went on and on and on about it until he finally had to admit it was simply his own personal belief and not a law or a principle.

INCOME - money COMES IN to a persons pocket or account. INCOME/ COME IN/ INCOME/ COME IN. Get it now? Its not that hard to see.

We as a nation and our government needs to stop discrimination on the source of money coming into a persons pocket or account and simply treat all financial gain as income and tax it accordingly.

Hmm, that would include food-stamps, Title19, Section-8, Stanford loans, scholarships, child-support, HEAP, TANIF.....
 
since everyone seems to agree on the cuts why not do them and not wait for the punish the rich nonsense that Obama screams for and you seem enamored with

Everyone does not agree on the cuts. The Republicans don't agree to the military cuts. The Republicans want to put the weight of the deficit exclusively on the middle class through domestic spending cuts. The Democrats want to split it up between the middle class (domestic spending) the military, and the rich (revenues). Sounds like you're just asking "why don't the Democrats just give in and let the Republicans put it all on the middle class"... Well, the answer is obvious- because that is abjectly immoral and economically damaging and ultimately won't be sufficient to close the deficit anyways.
 
envy is the abomination that must be stopped

and when you start paying as much taxes as I do, you might have some credibility with me to whine about me getting "preferential treatment"

Playing the all purpose ENVY CARD again I see. The last refuge of someone who cannot make any other argument.

You are getting preferential treatment by virtue OF YOUR OWN ADMISSION that you only pay 15% on much of your money.

Confession is a good first step on the road to redemption.
 
President Obama's latest proposal was for $4 trillion in deficit reduction. $3 trillion of that was spending cuts, only $1 trillion was revenues. The Democrats on the super committee proposed $3 trillion in deficit reduction, just under $1 trillion of that was revenues. So I guess we "have something", eh?

Over what period of time? And don't talk to me about revenues. Talk to me about spending cuts. $3 trillion over how long? Dems proposed cutting $2 trillion...over how long? Our national debt stands at $48,000 for every man, woman and child in the USA. It's been increasing at a rate of $3.94 billion per day since 9/07.
 
Hmm, that would include food-stamps, Title19, Section-8, Stanford loans, scholarships, child-support, HEAP, TANIF.....

I would be happy to entertain reasons why they should. Amuse me.
 
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