• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?


  • Total voters
    126
Status
Not open for further replies.
I understand both, I also know when one is engaging in class envy which I do not agree with. I also know that to justify an income tax that preferentially treats mid and low income earners while penalizing the "wealthy" heavily is an impossible goal without great mental gymnastics. I also understand that there are people who don't respect the accumulation of wealth based on merit and want to bleed every dollar they can from people based on weak premises such as "they can afford it" or "because society has needs" or "how much does one need". Last time I checked this is the U.S. a country based upon maximizing liberty, to TAKE ones property without due cause is a statist concept that goes back to despotism and the monarchy and always follows the premise that "we all own a piece". So don't confuse calling bull**** with "not understanding".

Oh! And you came so close. :(

In one short post you played the ENVY CARD ;) and the EMPTY LIBERTY CARD :roll: . Both hallmarks of extreme right wing 'thinking' (for lack of a better term). Now if you had just included the VAGUE BUT MEANINGLESS FREEDOM CARD :lol: and the FOUNDING FATHERS CARD :doh, you would have hit a grand slam home run.

Better luck next time.
 
Do you not even realize by penalizing earners for making more you are engaging in preferential treatment? You are giving 47% of Americans a total tax break, and another 50% nearly no taxing while punishing incentive under the statist plan. Guess that kind of shoots down your theory.

The goal that the dems want is a majority of people sucking on the public teat who are beholden to the dem party to keep the teat stoked and flowing
 
Well, well if i go according to this poll's stats, there must be quite a few people here just waiting for someone to drop dead and leave them a bucket of dough.

More accurately there are some people here who will live in an average existence just so they can pretend that somehow someway someday they will all be rich and famous and then be able to wallow in wealth like the one they pretend to ape. You know what they say: there are only two kinds of conservatives - millionaires and suckers. ;)
 
More accurately there are some people here who will live in an average existence just so they can pretend that somehow someway someday they will all be rich and famous and then be able to wallow in wealth like the one they pretend to ape. You know what they say: there are only two kinds of conservatives - millionaires and suckers. ;)

that is more like your party since those who aspire to be millionaires or at least successful on their own merit tend to vote our way

dems-have three main groups


1) rich overlords-rich from their government positions

2) useful fools-such as pillowheaded utopians or envious wannabees who are mad that others have the wealth they think they deserve

3) sucklers from the public teats
 
Oh! And you came so close. :(

In one short post you played the ENVY CARD ;) and the EMPTY LIBERTY CARD :roll: . Both hallmarks of extreme right wing 'thinking' (for lack of a better term). Now if you had just included the VAGUE BUT MEANINGLESS FREEDOM CARD :lol: and the FOUNDING FATHERS CARD :doh, you would have hit a grand slam home run.

Better luck next time.
I haven't played any cards, it came right out of your ****ing words. Do you not understand what "playing a card" means?
 
Yep. As well the reason we work better than the EU or smaller countries is because we as a nation do have a sense of identity, we disagree on the details as a people but at the end of the day there is a singular goal(for the most part) preserving our country to the best of our ability. This keeps us usually at an advantage economically and politically whereas many less tight-knit nations have had to abandon their politics or folded. Our binding is our federation, unfortunately it's at a point where the binding has gotten a little too tight.
You are right, there is a definite overarching American identity that seems to be stronger than, say, European identity (my impression, at least.) And yes, there is a fine line between too loose and too tight.
 
I haven't played any cards, it came right out of your ****ing words. Do you not understand what "playing a card" means?

One cannot miss it when right wingers cannot argue why a wage earner should pay 60% more tax than somebody who gets the same money from Capital Gains so they do just like you did in that post.

YOU PLAYED THE ENVY CARD.

And you cannot miss it when you cannot argue against taxation in a civilized society so you respond with playing THE EMPTY LIBERTY CARD.

Yup - they stand out like sore thumbs.
 
that is more like your party since those who aspire to be millionaires or at least successful on their own merit tend to vote our way

Ah yes - the great Machiavellian right wing trick - fooling the average person into believing that if he just goes against his own self interests and roots and cheers for the rich guys ivy league team that he too someday will be able to eat the caviar, sip the chilled Dom and have his way with the upstairs French maid.

Best trick since they sliced the lady in half and put her back together again...... all right before your eyes no less!!!!! :shock:
 
Last edited:
One cannot miss it when right wingers cannot argue why a wage earner should pay 60% more tax than somebody who gets the same money from Capital Gains so they do just like you did in that post.

YOU PLAYED THE ENVY CARD.

And you cannot miss it when you cannot argue against taxation in a civilized society so you respond with playing THE EMPTY LIBERTY CARD.

Yup - they stand out like sore thumbs.
You come here looking down on people who disagree with you, get proven wrong, and then accuse people of tricks. I don't think you even realize how WRONG you are in every aspect of this thread. Stillballin' is a liberal and he schooled you on the definition of income, I guess he played a card too huh.

Face it, you are so far back in this debate(not a surprise) that there is no coming back. Not that you are going to stop being nasty but whatev......
 
Ah yes - the great Machiavellian right wing trick - fooling the average person into believing that if he just goes against his own self interests and roots and cheers for the rich guys ivy league team that he too someday will be able to eat the caviar, sip the chilled Dom and have his way with the upstairs French maid.

Best trick since they sliced the lady in half and put her back together again...... all right before your eyes no less!!!!! :shock:

Most people will never be

1) Phi beta Kappas at Harvard

2) Rhodes scholars

3) grand slam tennis winners

4) sub four minute milers

5) millionaires

The dems win elections when they convince a bunch of people that all of those goals are out of reach and rather than put in the effort to try to achieve something that the odds are against them in, they should lie back and let the dems take care of them and for good measure-punish those who actually make it to the top

The GOP wins elections when lots of people think the journey is worthy even if it doesn't lead to the ultimate destination

and I would argue america would be much fitter if lots of people trained to run a four minute mile or win the US OPen in tennis and America would be smarter and better educated if more people aspired to be summa cum Laude at Cornell or Dartmouth or a Rhodes Scholar and America would have less debt if people worked hard and saved and invested

your party wants to degrade America to win elections Haymarket
 
You come here looking down on people who disagree with you, get proven wrong, and then accuse people of tricks. I don't think you even realize how WRONG you are in every aspect of this thread. Stillballin' is a liberal and he schooled you on the definition of income, I guess he played a card too huh.

Face it, you are so far back in this debate(not a surprise) that there is no coming back. Not that you are going to stop being nasty but whatev......

The "get proven wrong" part seems to be the bump in the road where your wheels come off, the car veers off the road, and you plunges 1,200 feet to the bottom of the debate mountain.

People can give any definition they want. Their opinion is their opinion is their opinion. YOU should learn that lesson.

And I am still waiting patiently for you to point out one thing I have said that is factually wrong that you can prove it with verifiable evidence - and that would include INCOME. But you have not and you will not and you cannot.

So how about it --- got any real evidence to disprove me?
 
The "get proven wrong" part seems to be the bump in the road where your wheels come off, the car veers off the road, and you plunges 1,200 feet to the bottom of the debate mountain.

People can give any definition they want. Their opinion is their opinion is their opinion. YOU should learn that lesson.

And I am still waiting patiently for you to point out one thing I have said that is factually wrong that you can prove it with verifiable evidence - and that would include INCOME. But you have not and you will not and you cannot.

So how about it --- got any real evidence to disprove me?

easy, the moneys people get from gifts or inheritance have never been taxed as INCOME federally
 
The "get proven wrong" part seems to be the bump in the road where your wheels come off, the car veers off the road, and you plunges 1,200 feet to the bottom of the debate mountain.

People can give any definition they want. Their opinion is their opinion is their opinion. YOU should learn that lesson.
From Dictionary.com:
def·i·ni·tion
   [def-uh-nish-uhn] Show IPA

noun
1.
the act of defining or making definite, distinct, or clear.
2.
the formal statement of the meaning or significance of a word, phrase, idiom, etc., as found in dictionaries. An online dictionary resource, such as Dictionary.com, can give users direct, immediate access to the definitions of a term, allowing them to compare definitions from various dictionaries and stay up to date with an ever-expanding vocabulary.

3.
the condition of being definite, distinct, or clearly outlined
.

4.
Optics . sharpness of the image formed by an optical system.

5.
Radio and Television . the accuracy of sound or picture reproduction.
Hmmm. Don't seem to see anything about OPINION in there. Could it be you are going to the weak counter of "everyone has an opinion" because you are running out of ammo?
And I am still waiting patiently for you to point out one thing I have said that is factually wrong that you can prove it with verifiable evidence - and that would include INCOME. But you have not and you will not and you cannot.
Don't have to, it's been done throughout. Did you happen to miss it?
So how about it --- got any real evidence to disprove me?
It's all over the thread, guess you did miss it. Shucks.
 
easy, the moneys people get from gifts or inheritance have never been taxed as INCOME federally

Its amazing Turtle. In the past week you have turned into quite the statist. A legal definition of income - as you well know - is something written by legislators and can be changed or altered as seen fit.

So your point is irrelevant in a discussion of the need for a rational public taxation policy.
 
Its amazing Turtle. In the past week you have turned into quite the statist. A legal definition of income - as you well know - is something written by legislators and can be changed or altered as seen fit.

So your point is irrelevant in a discussion of the need for a rational public taxation policy.

the only consistency in your posts is a desire for the rich to be taxed more-a lot more.

a rational tax policy would prevent politicians from using the tax code to pander to voters or to punish those who vote against them
 
From Dictionary.com:
Hmmm. Don't seem to see anything about OPINION in there. Could it be you are going to the weak counter of "everyone has an opinion" because you are running out of ammo?
Don't have to, it's been done throughout. Did you happen to miss it?
It's all over the thread, guess you did miss it. Shucks.

Lets see what we have when you are asked for proof or evidence of you proving me wrong

1- EVERYTHING you say is wrong
2- its all over the thread
3- its been done throughout
4- its obvious
5- here is a definition of the word definition
6- you missed it

These are almost as good as the ones used by some of your fellow righties
1- its common sense
2- its common knowledge
3- everybody here agrees with me
4- you are wrong
5 - its the law
6- it doesn't apply to this situation

That sort of nonsense would not keep a person on a college debate team for five minutes. And after all that, we still have no evidence that any one thing I said can be proven wrong or incorrect.
 
the only consistency in your posts is a desire for the rich to be taxed more-a lot more.

a rational tax policy would prevent politicians from using the tax code to pander to voters or to punish those who vote against them

You miss the truth Turtle in your fervor to attack me
1- I want ALL Americans who earn as much as one dollar to be taxed more
2- what constitutes a rational policy is indeed a matter of national discussion between the people and their elected representatives.... something you think is an unholy act.
 
inheritance tax?.. i'm against it.

the money has already been taxed as income... and I think the family of the deceased have more of a claim to it than the government does.

I think if contemporary liberal families want to donate some , or all,of their inheritance to Uncle Sam, they are free to do so... knock yourself out.
 
You miss the truth Turtle in your fervor to attack me
1- I want ALL Americans who earn as much as one dollar to be taxed more
2- what constitutes a rational policy is indeed a matter of national discussion between the people and their elected representatives.... something you think is an unholy act.

I note you want the government to have much more money

you want those who live on dividends to pay perhaps almost THREE TIMES MORE TAXES
 
I note you want the government to have much more money

you want those who live on dividends to pay perhaps almost THREE TIMES MORE TAXES

Actually I want the government to pay its current bills and not pass them on to my grandchildren.
Actually I want the government to balance its annual budget.
Actually I want the government to pay off the national deficit.
Isn't that what most of you claim you want also?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom