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  • There should be no inheritance tax of any amount of money or assets.

    84 54.90%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 35%.

    21 13.73%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 50%.

    12 7.84%
  • The first 1 million should be exempt. After that the rate should be 50%.

    19 12.42%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 35% from the get-go.

    9 5.88%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 50% from the get-go.

    1 0.65%
  • Abolish all inheritance. In other words, tax 100%.

    7 4.58%
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I disagree. They are using force to take the property of others in order to accomplish their ends.

    Perhaps we have different notions about what is meant by the law of the jungle. To me, it means might makes right, the strong subjugating the weak, the many dominating the few. When you organize yourself so that you can take the property of others in order to accomplish ends you believe are worthy, you are acting as a predator and carrying out the law of the jungle.
    Are you referring to taxes, which are the rule of law in this country? Somalia's taxes are very low, if that is what you are looking for.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you referring to taxes, which are the rule of law in this country?
    Yes, I am referring to taxes.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I disagree that people voluntarily arranging among themselves to provide mutual self-defense is in any way similar to the law of the jungle. Self-defense is not aggression against one's fellow man.

    And if a group of people decided to become criminals and begin attacking their neighbors, I fail to see how the majority of people would simply stand by and allow that to happen without organizing to defend themselves.
    If there was no state providing security for its citizens, we would fall back into clan rivalries and neo-feudalist structures forming, with warlords and all that. Much like in Afghanistan or other failed states.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Yes, I am referring to taxes.
    Well if you are looking for low taxation, Somalia is the place for you, and these guys will provide you with protection (for small fee)!

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    If there was no state providing security for its citizens, we would fall back into clan rivalries and neo-feudalist structures forming, with warlords and all that. Much like in Afghanistan or other failed states.
    I'm not sure I agree that such would be the inevitable outcome, but you've got me thinking. Maybe I can buy the argument for one single defense agency that would defend everyone. Everyone would pay the same fee and receive the same protection. This would prevent rogue agencies from rising up to be warlords.

    However, having a single monopolistic defense agency seems to leave the people vulnerable to abuses by that single agency. Might it not be better to have competition among defense agencies so that people could cancel their contracts with an agency that started acting "warlordy"? If people were able to cut off funds from rogue defense agencies, perhaps only those providing effective and legitimate defense services would remain in business.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well if you are looking for low taxation, Somalia is the place for you, and these guys will provide you with protection (for small fee)!
    As I said earlier, I'm not interested in Somalia. The people there have no respect for the rights of others or respect for other's property. It's a backward society riddled with crime. I am advocating a civil society in which people respect others and their property.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I'm not sure I agree that such would be the inevitable outcome, but you've got me thinking. Maybe I can buy the argument for one single defense agency that would defend everyone. Everyone would pay the same fee and receive the same protection. This would prevent rogue agencies from rising up to be warlords.

    However, having a single monopolistic defense agency seems to leave the people vulnerable to abuses by that single agency. Might it not be better to have competition among defense agencies so that people could cancel their contracts with an agency that started acting "warlordy"? If people were able to cut off funds from rogue defense agencies, perhaps only those providing effective and legitimate defense services would remain in business.
    Your ideas are definitely interesting, but I am not convinced. Let me know if you think I am too pessimistic:

    It wouldn't take long until these defense agencies would put the label "government" on their trucks and rule like absolute kings. That's how absolute monarchy came into existence in the first place.

    So it's better we let our democratically elected government do the job, because despite all flaws, we have a maximum of control over it as a people, a maximum of legal security as well, and we do our best to make sure corruption in this government is reduced to a minimum.

    That way we can avoid going through the hassle of first disbanding government, then letting private thugs filling the vacuum and then centuries of fighting for more rights against the bosses of these "private" thug angencies, first a Magna Carta, then centuries later a parliament, and finally, maybe 1000 years later, a Constitution including free elections.

    It all happened before. No need to do it again.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Your ideas are definitely interesting, but I am not convinced. Let me know if you think I am too pessimistic:

    It wouldn't take long until these defense agencies would put the label "government" on their trucks and rule like absolute kings. That's how absolute monarchy came into existence in the first place.

    So it's better we let our democratically elected government do the job, because despite all flaws, we have a maximum of control over it as a people, a maximum of legal security as well, and we do our best to make sure corruption in this government is reduced to a minimum.

    That way we can avoid going through the hassle of first disbanding government, then letting private thugs filling the vacuum and then centuries of fighting for more rights against the bosses of these "private" thug angencies, first a Magna Carta, then centuries later a parliament, and finally, maybe 1000 years later, a Constitution including free elections.

    It all happened before. No need to do it again.
    What if, as soon as a defense agency put the word "government" on its truck, everyone cancelled their contracts and signed up with more reputable agencies? Are you suggesting that this agency would, what, begin robbing people? It would quickly be stopped by the hundreds of remaining reputable defense agencies.

    The goal is for people to be able to organize themselves so that they can effectively protect their life, liberty, and property. An agency that started acting like a criminal gang would indeed be considered a criminal gang, and would be treated as such.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    What if, as soon as a defense agency put the word "government" on its truck, everyone cancelled their contracts and signed up with more reputable agencies? Are you suggesting that this agency would, what, begin robbing people? It would quickly be stopped by the hundreds of remaining reputable defense agencies.

    The goal is for people to be able to organize themselves so that they can effectively protect their life, liberty, and property. An agency that started acting like a criminal gang would indeed be considered a criminal gang, and would be treated as such.
    Frankly, I don't see how this could not result in chaos, unless there is one binding law for all and one binding power that enforces this law -- and this entity can only be a central government, ideally one the people has democratic control over. Else it would be clan war, anarchy, civil war.

    Hobbes, although he can be abused of course, had a point with his "Leviathan".
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Frankly, I don't see how this could not result in chaos, unless there is one binding law for all and one binding power that enforces this law -- and this entity can only be a central government, ideally one the people has democratic control over. Else it would be clan war, anarchy, civil war.

    Hobbes, although he can be abused of course, had a point with his "Leviathan".
    So you are in favor of a single world government?

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