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  • There should be no inheritance tax of any amount of money or assets.

    84 54.90%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 35%.

    21 13.73%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 50%.

    12 7.84%
  • The first 1 million should be exempt. After that the rate should be 50%.

    19 12.42%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 35% from the get-go.

    9 5.88%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 50% from the get-go.

    1 0.65%
  • Abolish all inheritance. In other words, tax 100%.

    7 4.58%
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who cares about Star Trek? ****ing trekkers need to stop relating everything to Star Trek.
    The thing is, most of what Libertarians are espousing IS the Star Trek universe. No money to represent power or oppression; relatively small government - a Federation (of Planets); individual responsibility; equal rights for all regardless of race/creed/color/sex/ethnicity/etc; basically a society where people are given plenty of opportunity to pursue their interests, contribute to society, and live together without fear. No homelessness, no starvation, and no welfare. Can't think of anything more Libertarian than that and I'd love to see it happen some day. But Roddenberry only gave us ~300 years to get there. I don't think we're going to make it.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The thing is, most of what Libertarians are espousing IS the Star Trek universe. No money to represent power or oppression; relatively small government - a Federation (of Planets); individual responsibility; equal rights for all regardless of race/creed/color/sex/ethnicity/etc; basically a society where people are given plenty of opportunity to pursue their interests, contribute to society, and live together without fear. No homelessness, no starvation, and no welfare. Can't think of anything more Libertarian than that and I'd love to see it happen some day. But Roddenberry only gave us ~300 years to get there. I don't think we're going to make it.
    WTF? Why don't you do some research in the future on what Libertarianism is actually about? Almost none of that is true. You people are as bad as the people that always talk negatively of socialism but don't have the first clue what it is.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    I do not know enough about Star Trek to make a judgment. I do know that the American Gilded Age resulted in social and political conditions that bear a striking resemblance to libertarian beliefs and objectives.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

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    My personal opinion is that our interpersonal relationships should be based upon a notion of equality and mutual respect and voluntary cooperation. I believe that all people are equal, in that no person has the moral authority to issue orders to his fellow man and enforce those orders through the initiation of violence.
    Equality in what way?

    Are you referring to equality before the law? Are you referring to having equal rights?

    In point of fact, people are not equal in reality. Never have been. Probably never will be. People differ in size, strength, health, intelligence, quickness, talent, skill, and all sorts of things which makes them unequal.

    Your bit about
    "no person has the moral authority to issue orders to his fellow man and enforce those orders through the initiation of violence"
    sounds nice and all in a rather naive and idealistic sort of way but it is a denial of the way the world has always worked since man came out of the cave and brushed shoulders with others. We the people have created government and have empowered government with the ability to make laws and enforce those laws with the use of force if necessary to preserve the peace and the greater good. We certainly do give the moral authority to others to do this unless you believe that there is no moral authority in our Constitution and the government it creates.

    Lincoln talked about this moral authority in his famous phrase "a government of the people, by the people and for the people".
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Throughout this thread, not only has the inheritance tax been discussed, but the capital gains tax also since the wealthy are the main beneficiaries of it and use it to thwart the progressive nature of the federal income tax. When I and others urge that this $$$ be taxed as normal income, we are attacked as radical leftists who hate the rich.

    Check out this

    Bogle Wants Capital Gains Taxed at Ordinary Income - Video - Bloomberg

    Radical leftist and fellow member of the Leon Trotsky Bomb Throwers Society Marching Band John Bogle urging that we tax capital gains the same as wages and salary. He is better knows as the founder and retired CEO of the Vanguard Group Inc.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vanguard_Group
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I know that's what you want. However, what most people want is a community that looks out for the most vulnerable in our society, the elderly, the disabled, the poor, and the working class.
    Those are all worthy goals. People should pursue them with whatever non-violent means they choose.

    It's not that those ends are wrong, it's the means by which many people attempt to accomplish them that are wrong. You can't use the law of the jungle when it suits your ends.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Anybody with power can do that. You mentioned the Mafia earlier, does what they do (or are purported to do) escape you? They have nothing more than money backing them up just like any other rich guy. The local Militia group could pull it off. A lunch mob could easily kill you, too, it's been done thousands of times in history and more times than I care to think of right here in the USA. Violence exists and most of it doesn't come from the government (unless you count warfare), it comes from your follow citizens. You just don't realize how much that's true because LEO's (another group of "bad o' buweaucrats") are there keeping the violence to a low roar so you can sleep at night.
    I agree with you that it's a problem not limited to government. But Centinel is right that in this case the US government has the legal right to kidnap you off the street and hold you indefinitely, while denying you legal defense. It happened hundreds of times. Thank the Patriot Act.

    Unlike Centinel, who probably says it's a problem with government in general, I say it's a problem with a defunct republic which doesn't respect its republican standards anymore, and whose checks and balances no longer work properly.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    As I have said several times, I do not expect to receive defense services for free. I will happily pay for that valued service.
    But that's the job of government: Government has to provide it for everybody equally, rich as well as poor.

    Because if hiring people to protect you was a private matter, those who are rich could hire the larger private army to force down those who are poor, who cannot afford paying a large private army or any army at all.

    That's the idea behind the monopoly of force of government. But you are right, of course, that government can be corrupt. That doesn't mean, though, that privatizing security would be better. It would be "the law of the jungle" you mentioned.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Will you still admire yourself for your benevolence after we collapse economically from the weight of our social indebtedness? There is only one possible outcome of our current policies.
    It's true that society cannot afford social programs when its financial situation doesn't allow it.

    But it's a matter of priorities. The money is there, it's just the question how to spend it. Without burning 1.3 billion in the sands of Iraq, there would have been no American debt or budget crisis.

    It's an irritating double standard I often noticed: Many people are against big government. But when they face big government in its purest form -- a bloated army and military spending -- they suddenly don't care. Apparently, only money spent by the government to help people is "big government", but the same money spent for killing people is not.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    WTF? Why don't you do some research in the future on what Libertarianism is actually about? Almost none of that is true. You people are as bad as the people that always talk negatively of socialism but don't have the first clue what it is.
    I'm sorry, maybe I am mistaken. Is Ayn Rand not a fair representation? I've read both Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.
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