View Poll Results: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

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  • There should be no inheritance tax of any amount of money or assets.

    84 54.90%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 35%.

    21 13.73%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 50%.

    12 7.84%
  • The first 1 million should be exempt. After that the rate should be 50%.

    19 12.42%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 35% from the get-go.

    9 5.88%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 50% from the get-go.

    1 0.65%
  • Abolish all inheritance. In other words, tax 100%.

    7 4.58%
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Ah, but protection requires people taking your money from you to pay for that protection, and you said you were against people taking money from you.
    You are right in that I don't think it is ethical for one person to take the property of another. However, you may have missed earlier where I said that if someone wanted to be protected then they obviously must pay those who they wish to protect them. People don't work for free. So, yes, I would be happy to pay for the protective services I require.

    They didn't respect life, liberty, and property in our country either, that's why we have a government. You want your cake and want to eat it too.
    I think you're wrong on that score. The respect for the rights of others comes first. A society has it, or it doesn't. If it has it, and it creates a government, then it will charge that government with protecting life and property. If the people in a society don't respect the the life, liberty, and property of others, then you can be sure that the government won't either.

    Also, you might be interested in a book called The Not So Wild West, by Terry Anderson and Peter Hill. It discusses how a peaceful society was maintained prior to any official government in California. Given the right societal norms, people are able to establish an orderly free society in the absence of government. It can be done, given the right societal values.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    The fact that the government can kidnap your or me, without due processes, and hold me indefinitely without charges. That was the tip off.
    Anybody with power can do that. You mentioned the Mafia earlier, does what they do (or are purported to do) escape you? They have nothing more than money backing them up just like any other rich guy. The local Militia group could pull it off. A lunch mob could easily kill you, too, it's been done thousands of times in history and more times than I care to think of right here in the USA. Violence exists and most of it doesn't come from the government (unless you count warfare), it comes from your follow citizens. You just don't realize how much that's true because LEO's (another group of "bad o' buweaucrats") are there keeping the violence to a low roar so you can sleep at night.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    From just above:
    I have no idea the point you are trying to make. Perhaps you could elaborate a bit?

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    You are right in that I don't think it is ethical for one person to take the property of another. However, you may have missed earlier where I said that if someone wanted to be protected then they obviously must pay those who they wish to protect them. People don't work for free. So, yes, I would be happy to pay for the protective services I require.
    So you want each individual to have their own government that reflects just their own personal wants and desires?

    Its not all about you personally you know???
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Anybody with power can do that. You mentioned the Mafia earlier, does what they do (or are purported to do) escape you? They have nothing more than money backing them up just like any other rich guy. The local Militia group could pull it off. A lunch mob could easily kill you, too, it's been done thousands of times in history and more times than I care to think of right here in the USA. Violence exists and most of it doesn't come from the government (unless you count warfare), it comes from your follow citizens. You just don't realize how much that's true because LEO's (another group of "bad o' buweaucrats") are there keeping the violence to a low roar so you can sleep at night.
    As I have said several times, I do not expect to receive defense services for free. I will happily pay for that valued service.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you want each individual to have their own government that reflects just their own personal wants and desires?
    I want people to be able to enter into any mutually agreeable voluntary arrangement they wish. So, yes. To forbid them from doing so would be to set myself up as the ruler over them, something I am not willing to do.

    Its not all about you personally you know???
    You are absolutely right. It's not about me at all. EVERYONE has the right to be free from coercion by his fellow man.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I want people to be able to enter into any mutually agreeable voluntary arrangement they wish. So, yes. To forbid them from doing so would be to set myself up as the ruler over them, something I am not willing to do.
    I know that's what you want. However, what most people want is a community that looks out for the most vulnerable in our society, the elderly, the disabled, the poor, and the working class.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    As I have said several times, I do not expect to receive defense services for free. I will happily pay for that valued service.
    Money is power, are you going to eliminate money as well? If not, what will you do to stop the accumulation of power/money? You can't take it from them and I'm sure they won't be giving it all away, either, so it WILL accumulate. You think their own altruistic world view will stop them from using that power? All I need do is look at Enron and any of several corporations from the Great Recession to see that they won't control themselves. Ever hear the phrase "power corrupts"? Do you think that's some kind of urban myth? In your idealistic world if Bill Gates wanted you dead, who do you think would outspend the other? Do you think your common rent-a-cops could defeat his well-funded hit squad? Get real.


    The world isn't balanced and people aren't equal. The best government would allow everyone an equal opportunity to float to their own level but those levels won't be the same. Some will have power over others and only collectively can those with power be kept in check.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I know that's what you want. However, what most people want is a community that looks out for the most vulnerable in our society, the elderly, the disabled, the poor, and the working class.
    Will you still admire yourself for your benevolence after we collapse economically from the weight of our social indebtedness? There is only one possible outcome of our current policies.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Will you still admire yourself for your benevolence after we collapse economically from the weight of our social indebtedness? There is only one possible outcome of our current policies.
    Our social needs did not cause our economic problems. Banking deregulation and supply side economics for the last 30 years is the cause of our economic problems. The majority of the country has learned this, the hard way.
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