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  • There should be no inheritance tax of any amount of money or assets.

    84 54.90%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 35%.

    21 13.73%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 50%.

    12 7.84%
  • The first 1 million should be exempt. After that the rate should be 50%.

    19 12.42%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 35% from the get-go.

    9 5.88%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 50% from the get-go.

    1 0.65%
  • Abolish all inheritance. In other words, tax 100%.

    7 4.58%
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I am not saying that the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many. I do not wish for the few to rule over the many. Nor do I wish for the many to rule over the few. I don't think it is ethically appropriate for any person to rule over any other person, period. We are all equals, and we all ought to treat each other with mutual respect. Our interactions should be voluntary and based on mutual cooperation, not the law of the jungle in which we have rulers initiating aggression against the ruled.
    That sounds good. But I see problems that come with extreme inequality. Rich people naturally have more power than poor people, also *over* these poor people. Laws can limit abuse, but not eliminate the power disparity.

    I like the libertarian ideal, but I believe it's not realistic. There will always be corruption, and corruption is rich people overriding the law to exert power over the poor. So the point can be made that we need government to correct this disparity at least a little. Of course that requires sensitivity, because it's like fighting fire with fire.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What turned you against the Constitution?

    You don't believe in the rule of law?
    You need to actually start to read or if you are stop making things up.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is exactly what you have been saying.
    Then I'm afraid I haven't been communicating effectively. To clarify, I don't believe that needs of anyone should outweigh the needs of anyone else. Down that path leads the law of the jungle, where the use of force is justified by the rationalization that it is being used for good.

    How about a Democratic Republic?
    How about a free society?

    To which country might we look to find an example of this utopia that you envision???
    Sadly, nowhere as of now. The world is dominated by those who rule over their fellow man by force. We have to look to the future, just as those who saw slavery as an unjust mode of social organization once had to look to the future. Progress comes slowly.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Haymarket was pointing out how our relationship with the government is substantially different than our relationship with other people. They are as different as apples and cinderblocks was the analogy he used, I believe. Obviously, there is no physically real entity called the government. It is a social construct, a name we use for a certain set of people. Just as there is no physical reality to "the mafia". It is simply a name we use for certain people. So, when I use the term "a person in the government", I am merely referring to one of the people who belongs to the organization we call the government.

    My personal opinion is that our interpersonal relationships should be based upon a notion of equality and mutual respect and voluntary cooperation. I believe that all people are equal, in that no person has the moral authority to issue orders to his fellow man and enforce those orders through the initiation of violence. I believe that this rule of interpersonal behavior applies to all people, regardless of what sorts of organizations to which he belongs. To me, the fact that a person is a member of the government does not relieve them of the ethical laws that apply to all normal people. Just because a person is a member of the government doesn't mean it is ethically right for him to live by the law of the jungle.
    It's sad that you look at everybody in government the same way. As I tried to point out, and you pretty much ignored, most people in government are civil and serve the public, they are nice to us, the citizens, and help us everyday. But the Corp of Engineers that prevents your city from being flooded next spring is an Oppressive Force in your mind. The soldiers and sailors that keep your butt comfy at night are nothing more than mercenaries and pirates ready if given half a chance to bush down your door, empty your house, then rape your wife and daughter on their way out. What a distorted view of the world you have to believe that all these people have some kind of Special Power over you.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    That sounds good. But I see problems that come with extreme inequality. Rich people naturally have more power than poor people, also *over* these poor people. Laws can limit abuse, but not eliminate the power disparity.

    I like the libertarian ideal, but I believe it's not realistic. There will always be corruption, and corruption is rich people overriding the law to exert power over the poor. So the point can be made that we need government to correct this disparity at least a little. Of course that requires sensitivity, because it's like fighting fire with fire.
    If rich people initiate aggression against the poor, then the government stop them and punish them. Just because one is rich does not give one the power to attack others. If the rich want something, then they ought to figure out how to get it like everyone else, though mutually agreeable voluntary cooperation. Let them spend some of their money to acquire what they want from others. It will have the added benefit of spreading the wealth around.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It's sad that you look at everybody in government the same way. As I tried to point out, and you pretty much ignored, most people in government are civil and serve the public, they are nice to us, the citizens, and help us everyday. But the Corp of Engineers that prevents your city from being flooded next spring is an Oppressive Force in your mind. The soldiers and sailors that keep your butt comfy at night are nothing more than mercenaries and pirates ready if given half a chance to bush down your door, empty your house, then rape your wife and daughter on their way out. What a distorted view of the world you have to believe that all these people have some kind of Special Power over you.
    They do have special power of me. They have the power of life or death over me, in fact.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    If rich people initiate aggression against the poor, then the government stop them and punish them. Just because one is rich does not give one the power to attack others. If the rich want something, then they ought to figure out how to get it like everyone else, though mutually agreeable voluntary cooperation. Let them spend some of their money to acquire what they want from others. It will have the added benefit of spreading the wealth around.
    Oh man, and I thought I was a little idealistic! Thanks for that, it reset the bar.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    They do have special power of me. They have the power of life or death over me, in fact.
    We all have that power, that's nothing new. Who lead you to believe it had been taken away from you?
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Then I'm afraid I haven't been communicating effectively. To clarify, I don't believe that needs of anyone should outweigh the needs of anyone else. Down that path leads the law of the jungle, where the use of force is justified by the rationalization that it is being used for good. How about a free society?
    Sadly, nowhere as of now. The world is dominated by those who rule over their fellow man by force. We have to look to the future, just as those who saw slavery as an unjust mode of social organization once had to look to the future. Progress comes slowly.
    Only in libertarian utopia does everyone agree without someone not getting their way. It doesn't work like that in the real world.

    Somalia is as close to the lack of government you see as ideal, and I would hardly call it utopia. But that's just me........
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What turned you against the Constitution?




    You don't believe in the rule of law?
    Nonsensical statements.

    Can you respond to the points I was making?

    Do you know what the definition of liberalism was at the time of this country's founding (aka classical liberalism)? This was liberal doctrine in the 18th century, and favored individual freedom, liberty, and small government.
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