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  • There should be no inheritance tax of any amount of money or assets.

    84 54.90%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 35%.

    21 13.73%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 50%.

    12 7.84%
  • The first 1 million should be exempt. After that the rate should be 50%.

    19 12.42%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 35% from the get-go.

    9 5.88%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 50% from the get-go.

    1 0.65%
  • Abolish all inheritance. In other words, tax 100%.

    7 4.58%
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Yes, currently they are very different sorts of interactions. The relationship between a regular person and a person in the government is one of slave to master, while the relationship between two regular people is that of equals. The notion that some people (the "government") are somehow above the regular people just doesn't sit well with me. To me, all people are equal, there is not a set of rulers and a set of peons. So I will always advocate relationships that are based upon mutual, voluntary cooperation, rather than the law of the jungle.
    Actually, we and our fellow American citizens are the masters in this relationship.

    You operate from a seriously flawed premise.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually, we and our fellow American citizens are the masters in this relationship.
    Masters over whom?

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Yes, currently they are very different sorts of interactions. The relationship between a regular person and a person in the government is one of slave to master, while the relationship between two regular people is that of equals. The notion that some people (the "government") are somehow above the regular people just doesn't sit well with me. To me, all people are equal, there is not a set of rulers and a set of peons. So I will always advocate relationships that are based upon mutual, voluntary cooperation, rather than the law of the jungle.
    I don't know what you mean by "a person in the government" but I don't think that applies to most of them. Like any business there are those who let what little power they have go to their heads but overall civil servants are just that and, given the chance, act like that. The public is the employer, the head of the company if you will, and most civil servants treat them with respect and provide whatever help they can. Of course, if you abuse civil servants by yelling and screaming at them, well, that's not giving them a chance, is it? In that situation they'll do what they've been instructed to do and instead of your problem being the #1 priority your behavior is now the #1 priority.

    If you were talking about elected officials then you should say so. My response there would be that we are poor citizens to let people like that represent us in DC. And, indeed, I agree with you. Limiting the Fed isn't going to change that, though, it'll just change the focus. We still need to be responsible voters.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually, we and our fellow American citizens are the masters in this relationship.

    You operate from a seriously flawed premise.
    Unfortunately, we're often too lazy to exercise our power.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't know what you mean by "a person in the government" but I don't think that applies to most of them. Like any business there are those who let what little power they have go to their heads but overall civil servants are just that and, given the chance, act like that. The public is the employer, the head of the company if you will, and most civil servants treat them with respect and provide whatever help they can. Of course, if you abuse civil servants by yelling and screaming at them, well, that's not giving them a chance, is it? In that situation they'll do what they've been instructed to do and instead of your problem being the #1 priority your behavior is now the #1 priority.

    If you were talking about elected officials then you should say so. My response there would be that we are poor citizens to let people like that represent us in DC. And, indeed, I agree with you. Limiting the Fed isn't going to change that, though, it'll just change the focus. We still need to be responsible voters.
    Haymarket was pointing out how our relationship with the government is substantially different than our relationship with other people. They are as different as apples and cinderblocks was the analogy he used, I believe. Obviously, there is no physically real entity called the government. It is a social construct, a name we use for a certain set of people. Just as there is no physical reality to "the mafia". It is simply a name we use for certain people. So, when I use the term "a person in the government", I am merely referring to one of the people who belongs to the organization we call the government.

    My personal opinion is that our interpersonal relationships should be based upon a notion of equality and mutual respect and voluntary cooperation. I believe that all people are equal, in that no person has the moral authority to issue orders to his fellow man and enforce those orders through the initiation of violence. I believe that this rule of interpersonal behavior applies to all people, regardless of what sorts of organizations to which he belongs. To me, the fact that a person is a member of the government does not relieve them of the ethical laws that apply to all normal people. Just because a person is a member of the government doesn't mean it is ethically right for him to live by the law of the jungle.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    You are quite welcome. And I don't disagree that my particular point of view isn't very popular. The law of the jungle is much more popular. I don't know why. It must have something to do with man's fallen nature.
    In other words if libertarians, had written the Constitution it would have read, We the Minority of the Rich and Powerful?

    Or, if libertarians had written Star Trek, their policy would have been: The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    In other words if libertarians, had written the Constitution it would have read, We the Minority of the Rich and Powerful?
    I would love to know how you get there from what he said.

    Or, if libertarians had written Star Trek, their policy would have been: The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?
    Who cares about Star Trek? ****ing trekkers need to stop relating everything to Star Trek.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    In other words if libertarians, had written the Constitution it would have read, We the Minority of the Rich and Powerful?

    Or, if libertarians had written Star Trek, their policy would have been: The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?
    I am not saying that the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many. I do not wish for the few to rule over the many. Nor do I wish for the many to rule over the few. I don't think it is ethically appropriate for any person to rule over any other person, period. We are all equals, and we all ought to treat each other with mutual respect. Our interactions should be voluntary and based on mutual cooperation, not the law of the jungle in which we have rulers initiating aggression against the ruled.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    In other words if libertarians, had written the Constitution it would have read, We the Minority of the Rich and Powerful?
    Libertarians did write the constitution. Libertarianism is about as close to classical liberalism as one can get.

    It's the current liberals in this country who don't realize they are not really liberals, but just authoritarians with a few liberal social views.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I am not saying that the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.
    That is exactly what you have been saying.


    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    The concept of taxation, in which some people forcibly take money from other people strikes me as completely immoral.

    I do not wish for the few to rule over the many. Nor do I wish for the many to rule over the few.
    How about a Democratic Republic?


    I don't think it is ethically appropriate for any person to rule over any other person, period. We are all equals, and we all ought to treat each other with mutual respect. Our interactions should be voluntary and based on mutual cooperation, not the law of the jungle in which we have rulers initiating aggression against the ruled.
    To which country might we look to find an example of this utopia that you envision???
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Libertarians did write the constitution. Libertarianism is about as close to classical liberalism as one can get.
    What turned you against the Constitution?

    It's the current liberals in this country who don't realize they are not really liberals, but just authoritarians with a few liberal social views.

    You don't believe in the rule of law?
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