View Poll Results: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

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  • There should be no inheritance tax of any amount of money or assets.

    84 54.90%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 35%.

    21 13.73%
  • The first 5 million dollars should be exempt. After that the tax rate should be 50%.

    12 7.84%
  • The first 1 million should be exempt. After that the rate should be 50%.

    19 12.42%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 35% from the get-go.

    9 5.88%
  • No exempt amount. Tax at 50% from the get-go.

    1 0.65%
  • Abolish all inheritance. In other words, tax 100%.

    7 4.58%
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The dishonesty of constantly repeating one thousandth of what I have said on taxes is that I clearly have constantly made the same arguments and there is no contradiction between proffering an IDEAL system with a realistic compromise as an alternative
    The ultimate dishonesty....... repeating your own words right back to you in the very posts in which you made them.

    As it was Turtle, the post was rather long. I tried to work in as much as I could. It is fair since they are your own words made in your own posts on this very site.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Using force to take what doesn't belong to you is the law of the jungle. What one does with the loot does not justify the initial act of aggression. If you wish to take care of the poor or elderly do it on your own dime, not with other people's property.
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    So you don't believe in the concept of taxation at all then...but a governmentless system or a government based on the charity of it's citizens.
    The concept of taxation, in which some people forcibly take money from other people strikes me as completely immoral. I don't see what gives one person or one group of people the moral authority to declare that they are going to rule over others and take their property. I mean, we're all supposed to be equals, so we ought to work out our social arrangements through voluntary cooperation, not the law of the jungle.

    That being said, if people want services from a government, such as policing, dispute resolution, and defense, well then they ought to pay for those services. One can't expect people to just give these services away for nothing. So I think I have to say that a government should be able to charge its subscribers for its services, just like anyone can charge for services people buy. If you want the services, you pay the fee, otherwise you get nothing.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    The concept of taxation, in which some people forcibly take money from other people strikes me as completely immoral. I don't see what gives one person or one group of people the moral authority to declare that they are going to rule over others and take their property. I mean, we're all supposed to be equals, so we ought to work out our social arrangements through voluntary cooperation, not the law of the jungle.

    That being said, if people want services from a government, such as policing, dispute resolution, and defense, well then they ought to pay for those services. One can't expect people to just give these services away for nothing. So I think I have to say that a government should be able to charge its subscribers for its services, just like anyone can charge for services people buy. If you want the services, you pay the fee, otherwise you get nothing.
    You confuse the relationship of a citizen and his or her government via taxation with the retail shopping experience. They are apples and cinderblocks. When you shop at Costco you have the luxury of selecting only what you want and placing it in your cart and paying for that at the checkout. Government does not work that way and even a tax hater like my friend Turtle has admitted such a scheme would not work.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    One of my favorite lies from the far left is that tax cuts GAVE the rich money
    Yet another indication of non-wealth. Actually wealthy people were at first agog over the amounts of money that those tax cuts had GIVEN them in exchange for doing absolutely nothing. I mean, we read about it in the papers and all, but it really didn't hit home until you first ran the actual numbers and saw the actual bottom line.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what party does that guy support ? Well guess--he labels himself as a left wing progressive.
    Most with business savy understand you need consumers in a consumer economy. Even 4 out of 10 Republicans think the tax rates for the most wealthy need to be increased.

    "Support for the "millionaire's tax" rises as high as 83 percent among Democrats, and while 54 percent of Republicans oppose it, four in ten think tax increases for these upper income households are a good idea."

    There is simply no reason for the working class to continue to vote for your tax cuts.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    The concept of taxation, in which some people forcibly take money from other people strikes me as completely immoral. I don't see what gives one person or one group of people the moral authority to declare that they are going to rule over others and take their property. I mean, we're all supposed to be equals, so we ought to work out our social arrangements through voluntary cooperation, not the law of the jungle.

    That being said, if people want services from a government, such as policing, dispute resolution, and defense, well then they ought to pay for those services. One can't expect people to just give these services away for nothing. So I think I have to say that a government should be able to charge its subscribers for its services, just like anyone can charge for services people buy. If you want the services, you pay the fee, otherwise you get nothing.
    Thanks for the libertarian point of view, which represents about 2% of the population on a good election year for them.
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You confuse the relationship of a citizen and his or her government via taxation with the retail shopping experience. They are apples and cinderblocks. When you shop at Costco you have the luxury of selecting only what you want and placing it in your cart and paying for that at the checkout. Government does not work that way and even a tax hater like my friend Turtle has admitted such a scheme would not work.
    Yes, currently they are very different sorts of interactions. The relationship between a regular person and a person in the government is one of slave to master, while the relationship between two regular people is that of equals. The notion that some people (the "government") are somehow above the regular people just doesn't sit well with me. To me, all people are equal, there is not a set of rulers and a set of peons. So I will always advocate relationships that are based upon mutual, voluntary cooperation, rather than the law of the jungle.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for the libertarian point of view, which represents about 2% of the population on a good election year for them.
    You are quite welcome. And I don't disagree that my particular point of view isn't very popular. The law of the jungle is much more popular. I don't know why. It must have something to do with man's fallen nature.

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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you miss the entire point-you claim the poor have problems because the GOVERNMENT doesn't do enough for them

    that is the problem-they rely on the government too much
    Well, it's a sure bet they can't force business to pay them more and business sure as hell isn't going to do it on their own, either. As for all the crap about "bettering oneself" or "becoming a more productive member of society" I've got friends who had college degrees who worked hard to get them and ended up tending a hotel desk at 3AM making barely enough to pay back their student loans and afford a studio apt. And that's not an isolated incident. "You're over-qualified" became the rally cry of American business in the 80's, so much so that many quit college and started flipping burgers. At least in 2-3 years they might make manager, which paid more than the night desk clerk job.

    Bottom line is, if every single American worked hard in HS and went in hock to their eyeballs for college a large part of them would still be flipping burgers and running a cash register because somebody has to do those jobs. A country filled with grads in engineering and medicine wouldn't change the average wage scale in America by more than a couple of a percent and that would only be from a decline in foreign specialists. Most of America would still be living in the slums and lower income neighborhoods making crap for wages except they'd have a diploma on their wall. Whooppee!
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    Re: which best describes your view of the inheritance tax?

    if money could buy happiness, some of the posters here wouldn't be here, whining.....
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