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    10 15.63%
  • The UN is lying.

    23 35.94%
  • GITMO reflects contemporary USA mores.

    21 32.81%
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Thread: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    You know as well as I do that our President is not our dictator, that Congress runs things(more or less)..
    The President is the Commander-in-Chief. All he would have to do is order the military to abandon the base and leave the doors open on their way out. The Congress could not do a danm thing about it.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    The President is the Commander-in-Chief. All he would have to do is order the military to abandon the base and leave the doors open on their way out. The Congress could not do a danm thing about it.
    I don't think anyone (in their right mind) is considering abandoning Gitmo as a military base. Closing the prison is a different story.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    It completely disgusts me that our goverment is of the form that manipulates man made laws so as to try to perceive the image of fighting for justice or protect its citizens! There should be no chance that a government should allow a person's rights to be possibly violated and in this case definitely violated period. All considerations should be given to that person until they are proven guilty and still they should be treated as humanely as you would want to be treated even if you had poor judgement or just went down right nuts.

    Close the base down. Get our troops home. Stop sticking our heads up everyone's butt. Stop playing games. I can just image what the bad guys are thinking....third times a charm! We have to face the truths, the reason these ppl are like they are is because we force our will down their throats. We have to change our country completely! We can't emerge from the choas and have any type of real revolution or renaissance or whatever you call it if we don't change our thinking and face the facts.

    We as a human race are the most amazing creatures on this earth! If we forced compromise in a peaceful way we could change the world and make it something beyond anyone's dreams. I think if we did we might even accomplish something as crazy as Newt's moon base There's no doubt! Now I know, if Newt were actually elected that wouldn't happen...well he might get us a hut up there or something but he'd collapse the earth in regards to finances and civility. Not that it would be all his fault but he's basically a status quo'r nothing would change....things would continue to break down and his pooring of money into the hut would crush us most likely...if we keepthe same way of doing things.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't think anyone (in their right mind) is considering abandoning Gitmo as a military base. Closing the prison is a different story.
    The point, which you seem to have missed, is that Obama does not require the approval of Congress to close Gitmo. If he ordered the military to leave, congress could not do anything about it.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Did anyone else notice anything strange in the poll numbers? Overnight.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    The point, which you seem to have missed, is that Obama does not require the approval of Congress to close Gitmo. If he ordered the military to leave, congress could not do anything about it.
    I don't know if you missed my opinion that closing the base is unthinkable, OR if you missed the article I linked.

    What exactly would you have the military do:
    (These are examples only. Please respond with your precise recommendation.)
    -Release the prisoners into the country-side
    -Walk out of the prison buildings opening all doors on exiting
    -Abandon the military base completely (all 45? square miles of it) including all equipment, supplies, etc., and evacuate all military personnel and their families leaving the prisoners behind (and in control of it)
    Last edited by MoSurveyor; 02-02-12 at 10:52 AM.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    odd, then, the high recidivism rate amongst such innocent characters...
    There is some question concerning those numbers. I hope we don't have to break out all that again. But tell, how do you know if it is a return, or if we simply convinced them to join after having been wrongly held for so long? I just want to know how you reach that determination.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    worse. POW's have rights. those who fight while wearing civilian garb put civilians at risk - and thus do not.
    How nice. Makes things simple to declare people without any basic rights. Fits with the ideals we believe so strongly in here. Our document reads all Americans in uniform are entitled to rights endowed by their creator. Not everyone. God's funny that way.


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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not only that, but a prisoner of war camp has, well, prisoners of war. Gitmo has "enemy combatants" instead. So, what's the difference? Why, the one is covered by the Geneva accords. The other is a made up phrase that means, "you ain't got no rights, so there!"
    Exactly. And sadly, too many are OK with that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How nice. Makes things simple to declare people without any basic rights. Fits with the ideals we believe so strongly in here. Our document reads all Americans in uniform are entitled to rights endowed by their creator. Not everyone. God's funny that way.

    Customary international law, which the Geneva Conventions codifed, normally allowed for non-uniformed combatants to be executed summarily.

    Why? Uniforms make it easy to distinguish who you're supposed to be shooting at. If you can't, you have little choice but to a) shoot everyone, or b) give up.

    Is that the world you prefer?


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