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    10 15.63%
  • The UN is lying.

    23 35.94%
  • GITMO reflects contemporary USA mores.

    21 32.81%
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Thread: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    No one said it did. When soldiers break laws they are prosecuted. I believe you are simply anti-American and certainly anti-US military. That much is clear.
    Here we go, when reason fails the argument, the weak minded resort to you hate America. Bravo!!!!


    Yeah? So, what, exactly?
    So, it wasn't war, exactly. It's one thing to imprison soldiers, as in POWs. It's another thing to just pick people up all over the world and claim it is a war. You're giving government too much power, and forgetting any semblence of rule of law. This is more anti-American than anything those who protest it have done.


    See? Anti-American. You fail to note the context.
    See my first reply to this. You repeat the same weakness.

    There is no context that exists which makes this acceptable. I'm sorry, but you merely wish it were so. You're too willing to excuse illegal and immoral behavior. Torture is illegal and immoral.


    In what way?
    This is really quite straightforward and simple. Those I say were tortured and or killed were. The evidence is clear and undisputed.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    [QUOTE=Boo Radley;1060256381]Here we go, when reason fails the argument, the weak minded resort to you hate America. Bravo!!!!
    You cannot escape your anti-Americanism. I see you no longer bother to try.

    So, it wasn't war, exactly. It's one thing to imprison soldiers, as in POWs. It's another thing to just pick people up all over the world and claim it is a war. You're giving government too much power, and forgetting any semblence of rule of law. This is more anti-American than anything those who protest it have done.
    Whether you like it or not it is war.

    See my first reply to this. You repeat the same weakness.
    See my first response. It still applies.

    There is no context that exists which makes this acceptable. I'm sorry, but you merely wish it were so. You're too willing to excuse illegal and immoral behavior. Torture is illegal and immoral.
    No one has excused illegal behavior. The difference between us is that I recognized that murder is not US policy. If it were US policy no one would be disciplined or prosecuted.

    This is really quite straightforward and simple. Those I say were tortured and or killed were. The evidence is clear and undisputed.
    Two people. Was that it? Two people? High schools have more violence.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    "No one has excused illegal behavior. The difference between us is that I recognized that murder is not US policy. If it were US policy no one would be disciplined or prosecuted."

    You're right. Bush and Cheney are still walkin' the streets. It's a damn tragedy. However, neither of the executive duo stood up for their compadres in crime, England and Graner. They let the flunkies take the fall for torture and mayhem when it was a policy approved from the White House. A real leader would stand behind his men and women. Garbage at the top causes garbage at the bottom.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Whether you like it or not it is war.
    Define the war? Are we at war with Afghanistan? Or is it like the war on proverty and drugs? WOn can be won easily, and has a fininte term, and can be treated liek a war. The other is more rhetoric than reality. Wars on things like the second choice will have casulites, but will be never ending and likely hurt us more than help.

    See my first response. It still applies.
    A weakenss on your part. Very weak.


    No one has excused illegal behavior. The difference between us is that I recognized that murder is not US policy. If it were US policy no one would be disciplined or prosecuted.
    But there was in two ways:

    1) those who created the atmosphere that allowed the deaths walked away untouched. It was excused and the lower soldiers were scapegoated. See Monsters and heros on TED talks.

    2) Other illegalites, like waterboarding, were excused, torturing language and definition to the extreme. the faith are willing to swallow the excuses, sadly. But history and definintion are clear on this. We broke the law.


    Two people. Was that it? Two people? High schools have more violence.
    That makes it all ok than. Hell, we could torture and kill you tommorrow, and there would be no need to charge anyone or change any policy because we would not have reached the magic number that makes it wrong yet.

    But we can only speak to what we know. We know two were killed and believed innocent by us, the US, the military, and those who tortured them.

    We know that an innocent Canadian was taken off the streets, not in Afghanistan or Iraq, but here. And he was sent away to be tortured.

    We know we've waterboarded people.

    Now waht's the odds we don't know everything thatw as done.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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