View Poll Results: What is GITMO about?

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  • GITMO is a fine prison.

    26 40.63%
  • GITMO is a fine GULAG.

    10 15.63%
  • The UN is lying.

    23 35.94%
  • GITMO reflects contemporary USA mores.

    21 32.81%
  • GITMO upholds the finest standards of USA Justice.

    21 32.81%
  • GITMO is a continuing embarrassment.

    27 42.19%
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Thread: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    What exactly is your point? Because, you know, I don't see any.
    My point? There are kooks in every country. Your country has its kook. The political leaders recognize what you do not. Pretty simple point really. I am sorry that you missed it. I shall try to be more clear next time.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But you see, you miss the point. He was not the only one we've msitakenly took. That's why laws are important. Just saying you can do anything because everyone is evil opens the door to do evil.
    Well, who else would you like to discuss?

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have no trouble with war, when neccessary. Iraq was not necessary and was not to stop anything really. Instead, it helped our enemies.

    But, what we are debating is torture.
    I cannot say if the war in Iraq was necessary or not. I believe it was just. I cannot tell yet if the cost to the US will result in a net benefit or not. Sometimes that judgment does not accurately come for many years.

    Delawar's killing was a murder. Bad things happen. If justice occurs the guilty are discovered and punished.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Avoidance tactic #63.

    No, Iraq was meaningless. Almost as meaningless as you incessent inability to know the definitions of words. You really should learn what a Marxist really is.

    Nice dodge yourself. I am very clear on what Marxism is and how invested in Marx's key tenets the one term president Barack Hussein Obama is. Have you ever considered that the one termer may be doing his best, in his first term, to conceal the sort of monster he actually is? No?
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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Well, who else would you like to discuss?
    Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison | World news | The Guardian These people for a start

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A no fly zone whose legality itself was being questioned. But that is neither here nor there. The fact remains he was Iraq was a UN effort and not soley a US effort. Only the UN could sanction action. Also, Iraq did not met the level of threat that justified the expendature. Iraq cost us far more, on all fronts, than we gained.
    I am impressed by just how much credit you give yourself.

    We used to be a sovereign nation. We can choose to act without the UN or with it. It just depends on whether we gain an advantage. I am content to wait for history's judgment on Iraq. At this moment I cannot tell.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    If he was indeed innocent__IF?__Then he is what the military calls collateral damage.

    It is WAR and unfortunately that's the nature of the beast, so man up and deal with it.
    I have to disagree with you. He was murdered. Collateral damage is an explanation for what happens when a legitimate military target is struck by military weapons. Sometimes those who have no part in the war are injured or killed. We regret it.

    Delawar was murdered. Murders are not collateral damage. Now had he died of a heart attack during questioning I would agree with collateral damage. But he was beaten, essentially to death. And that is murder. Even in war.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Why would giving them a trial be so difficult/objectionable that you would prefer to kill innocent people?
    Perhaps we are discussing two different things. Unlawful combatants, are unprotected. They are not prisoners of war. They are not criminal defendants.

    People picked up for questioning who are deceptive or lie can be detained. People who commit crimes can be tried by the country they committed the crime in.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We've bragged and pride ourselves on "the rule of law" and when push came to shove, we ignored our base principles. The war began with lies, fed on lies, and what survives is lies. OBL is dead. What the hell are we doing in Afghanistan? How could we have sunk so low as to ally with Pakistan, the financiers behind Mohammmed Atta? I'm afraid I view the war on terrorists as a big corporate money grab for connected (politically) contractors. The enemy should have been the Pakistani ISI from step one.
    The war began on lies? I can't wait to hear this. Concur with you about Pakistan though. Contractors actually save the gov't money. If they had to train military members to do the job contractors do, give them the benefits we rate, house them, etc, it would not be cost effective. However, I also agree with you that some contractors are unnecessary. Holy crap, I just agreed with you twice lol.
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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Either we are part of the U.N. and care what it thinks or not. I am certainly tired of politician saying we need to enforce U.N. resolutions as a reason to justify wars we want to fight while saying the U.N. is threatening our government and we should ignore it when it points out what we do wrong.
    I think this is naive. The UN is a tool. It is nothing more. When it is useful we use it. When it is not we do what must be done. It is mostly a collection of tyrants and thugs.

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