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  • GITMO is a fine prison.

    26 40.63%
  • GITMO is a fine GULAG.

    10 15.63%
  • The UN is lying.

    23 35.94%
  • GITMO reflects contemporary USA mores.

    21 32.81%
  • GITMO upholds the finest standards of USA Justice.

    21 32.81%
  • GITMO is a continuing embarrassment.

    27 42.19%
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Thread: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I look at Gitmo as a prisoner of war camp. The fact that we give unlawful combatants the same protections as lawful ones is, in my opinion, a gift.
    Is it a gift to give innocent people the same protections as lawful combatants also? Either way they haven't been given the same protections as lawful combatants, lawful combatants can't be tortured.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    We do have a UN, but it pretty worthless for anything besides soaking up money and meddling into the affairs of sovereign nations. As far as I'm concerned, get rid of the UN completely.
    Well the safe-haven system in Iraqi Kurdistan is one example of their meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations to great effect, as is the gulf war
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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Is it a gift to give innocent people the same protections as lawful combatants also? Either way they haven't been given the same protections as lawful combatants, lawful combatants can't be tortured.
    I've never thought of GITMO as a POW camp. Many of the detainees are there as a result of "rendition" and that same "rendition" would be kidnapping in any country. Somehow the point that many of the inmates in GITMO may not have been terrorists, nor from Afghanistan. Abu Grabass was a POW camp. Many of the GITMO inmates have not been charged with anything. Others can't/shouldn't be charged because evidence collected by torture is inadmissable in US Courts. GITMO is maintained so that they get Military justice and that is adjustable, even opaque. Don't make the assumption that all the inmates at GITMO are guilty. That is for sure not true. I'm certainly anti-terrorist, but not at the price of a corrupted Gulag system.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I've never thought of GITMO as a POW camp. Many of the detainees are there as a result of "rendition" and that same "rendition" would be kidnapping in any country. Somehow the point that many of the inmates in GITMO may not have been terrorists, nor from Afghanistan. Abu Grabass was a POW camp. Many of the GITMO inmates have not been charged with anything. Others can't/shouldn't be charged because evidence collected by torture is inadmissable in US Courts. GITMO is maintained so that they get Military justice and that is adjustable, even opaque. Don't make the assumption that all the inmates at GITMO are guilty. That is for sure not true. I'm certainly anti-terrorist, but not at the price of a corrupted Gulag system.
    Well we know almost for certain that many of these people are not terrorists, given that so many have been released (after many years of torture) without charge. Even Eichmann was given a fair trial, saying that these prisoners are somehow privileged beggars belief.
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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well we know almost for certain that many of these people are not terrorists, given that so many have been released (after many years of torture) without charge. Even Eichmann was given a fair trial, saying that these prisoners are somehow privileged beggars belief.
    Khalid Sheik Mohammed is a perfect example of what is wrong with Guantanamo. He is allegedly the man who cut off Daniel Pearl's head. If he were to be tried in the States, there is a high likelihood he'd be acquitted because evidence gained as a result of torture is not admissable and he was waterboarded nearly a hundred times. The guy's a scumbag but the system is certainly flawed. There is no problem trying this guy with a military tribunal and the verdict is not in doubt. The military tribunals are not exactly USA type justice and are usually gamed to garner pre-determined results. All I'm really alluding to is that if our system works and we are not doing anything wrong, then we should be able to try KSM stateside and get an honest verdict. We have created this problem with our own illegality. That would be the torture. Even the torture goes back to Abu Ghraib where GWShiiteForBrains should have stood up for the scumbags England and Graner that were torturing as a matter of US policy from the highest level and then go to jail for ldoing their job. Shrub did not have the intestinal fortitude to back up his soldiers who were following his orders. It's not hard to figure out where all these problems came from.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well the safe-haven system in Iraqi Kurdistan is one example of their meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations to great effect, as is the gulf war
    Agree with you completely. Imo, we should never have been there in the first place. I don't favor intervention in the affairs of others, nor do I support nation-building. All I support as far as foreign affairs, is strict business dealings. If someone else brings war to our shores, then it's a new ballgame altogether.
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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Agree with you completely. Imo, we should never have been there in the first place. I don't favor intervention in the affairs of others, nor do I support nation-building. All I support as far as foreign affairs, is strict business dealings. If someone else brings war to our shores, then it's a new ballgame altogether.
    No no i assure you that you don't I meant 'to great effect' as in 'the interventions where good' the safe haven system for all its faults saved tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    We're going to need Gitmo even more in the future when the indefinite detention of American citizens who are accused of aiding terrorism begins.

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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    I don't understand why we can't try these people, and just get rid of GITMO.
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    Re: United Nations: U.S. Operation Of Gitmo Is ‘Clear Breach Of International Law’

    Why is there a new thread about Gitmo now? Obama closed it in his first year as President. I'm sure he did. I mean, he promised.

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