View Poll Results: Do you support the Patriot Act?

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    Do you support the Patriot Act?

    With the end of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan War winding down do you believe that the Patriot Act which allows wire tapping and other unconventional methods to try to catch terrorists should still be allowed, or should it be completely abolished as it directly violates the 4th ammendment and other rights. Do you believe that we should give that freedom up for security or do you believe that if we do we deserve neither as Ben Franklin once said.

    Personally I think that the act hasn't done much good over all and we've had more success with military operations over seas then catching any terrorists here at home. I also believe that this is the same as people trying to get rid of guns thinking that they will be safe, instead it just gets rid of freedom and violates our constitution. I think this act should be abolished as soon as possible, sadly I think people will just accept their loss of freedom.
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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    The name of the bill probably had more to do with its acceptance than the actual content. It was a reactionary, if not opportunistic power grab that should have never been supported at the offset.

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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    I don't support it, as it was written and passed during a period of national emotional vulnerability, and it (imo) violates our privacy rights.
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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The name of the bill probably had more to do with its acceptance than the actual content. It was a reactionary, if not opportunistic power grab that should have never been supported at the offset.

    Yeah, the Dem should take note. Just rename environmental and gun regs with the words Liberty, Freedom, and Protection of Life.

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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    I've always hated this piece of legislation for the simple fact that we the people can be excellent whistle blowers, in our own right. There's nothing wrong with a little neighborly profiling when lives are potentially at stake.

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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The name of the bill probably had more to do with its acceptance than the actual content. It was a reactionary, if not opportunistic power grab that should have never been supported at the offset.
    Exactly. Reactionary legislation almost always results in unintended consequences. Although this time I question whether they really were truly unintended.

    I also believe most of it is/was unnecessary as we already had the capability to do most of what it purports to do anyway

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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    The Patriot Act is a pure power trip! We do not need the ability to lock up people for no good reason and not tell them why or when they can be released. What are we completely heartless! Have we no compassion for our enemies. What's the point of having "due process!?" Besides do you have any idea what someone could do to the American people if it got in the wrong hands. They could lock up anyone they want!
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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    I think most American agree the Patriot Act is an unnecessary infringement on citizens rights. Unfortunately, all the presidential candidates except Ron Paul, support it.

    The little bit of opposition we have in Congress is coming from Democrats.

    "The Republican House and Democratic Senate leadership are backing a deal to extend three of the most controversial provisions of the Patriot Act, and the Senate voted 74-8 for cloture (to limit debate before passage) on the bill May 23. The vote was not a surprise to political observers, who expect a closer vote in the House of Representatives.

    The Republican and Democratic ranks of the House have demonstrated some reluctance to pass the bill, however. A majority of Democrats voted against renewal February 17. And Felicia Sonmez of the Washington Post explained May 20 that "House Republicans, meanwhile, have their own problem to worry about — the more than two dozen members who voted against the extension this year. House Republicans have a 22-seat majority in the House, meaning if the members who voted against the earlier Patriot Act extensions maintain their opposition, Republican leaders will need the support of Democrats to pass the bill." Only two Republicans in the Senate — Kentucky's Rand Paul and Utah's Mike Lee, both Tea Party affiliates — opposed the Patriot act extension in the Senate in a February 15 vote earlier this year."
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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think most American agree the Patriot Act is an unnecessary infringement on citizens rights.
    I tend to agree with this, but then again most Americans seem receptive to "tough on crime" and apply that to terrorism, as well.

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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    Compared to other historical examples where security sublimates privacy, it is comparatively minor. Middle state representative who might vote to join the Confederacy? Go to jail. Protesting America's entry into WWI and global affairs? Go to jail. Manufacture and sell alcohol? Go to jail. Might be a communist or just annoy someone too powerful? Career ruining public spectacle and drawn out bureaucratic nightmare, possibly followed by going to jail.

    Also theoretically the Alien and Sedition Acts, the supervision of the institution of slavery in the South, etc.

    Factoring in the threats it was meant to respond to, I don't consider the Patriot Act to be a totally unreasonable piece of legislation.
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