View Poll Results: Do you support the Patriot Act?

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  • Yes, it helps secure our country from terror

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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    Not in the least. Hell, even the name is propaganda to try to get people to not think about the powers government was grabbing. It's a travesty of a law and only serves to make us less free.
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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I tend to agree with this, but then again most Americans seem receptive to "tough on crime" and apply that to terrorism, as well.
    Good point.............!
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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    With the end of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan War winding down do you believe that the Patriot Act which allows wire tapping and other unconventional methods to try to catch terrorists should still be allowed, or should it be completely abolished as it directly violates the 4th ammendment and other rights. Do you believe that we should give that freedom up for security or do you believe that if we do we deserve neither as Ben Franklin once said.
    First, Ben Franklin's REAL quote does not so easily apply to the PATRIOT Act in a cut and dry, no debate manner, as Ben talks about ESSENTIAL liberty for TEMPORARY security deserve neither. If Ben Franklin's quote actually was what it so often is paraphrased as one would have to suggest that Franklin believes that none of us should have any freedom since we give it up each and every day through virtue of having a police force and laws.

    Second, I do support the Patriot Act. I do not support all the portions and provisions within the bill, however I believe that the many mechanisms we have within our system....built in sunsets, the ability for the legislature to erase provisions, and the ability for the courts to strike down provisions...will cause most of those provisions to go the way side over time as they become less of a necessity with regards to the public desire for security over government intervention. I believe the vast majority of the Patriot Act is not only sound, but essential, legislation that updates our intelligence laws in a way that brings them in touch with modern technology. The notion of having Intelligence Law built around the way the world worked technologically with regards to communication in 1960s and 70s when the notion of the Web 2.0, smart phones, text messages, and other such things was science fiction if the thoughts existed at all. And while its all well and good to say "Just overturn it then pass that on its own merit" I simply don't think its practical nor reasonable in the highly politicized time we live in for that to happen if for no other reason than the largely misinformed stereotype the public now has to the notion of th Patriot Act. If you're going to overturn the Patriot Act without overturning FISA or Title 3 of the 1968 Omnibus Crime Crontrol and Safe Street Acts then you're essentially going out of your way to not really significantly increase freedom but to drag the government back into the realm of using loopholes and grey areas with regards to technology and survelliance.

    The Patriot Act was nothing new for the US; throughout this countries history we've routinely had Presidents act in the name of security rather than unobtrusiveness of government. FDR and his internment camps, Lincoln and his suspension of habeus corpus, etc. Each time we move away from the point that tips the balance in favor of security slowly and with the various measures that were put in place being scaled back. The same has been happening with the Patriot Act and will continue to happen with it. As such I see no reason why we should take a chainsaw to something that would be better served using a scapel.

    Public opinion about it will continue to drop, political opinion on it will continue to drop, and over time the extensions of various provisions will cease and they will sail into the sunset. I absolutely support that happening. I support the court rulings by and large that overturn various parts of it. I in general support stripping away at the Patriot Act. I simply don't support the wholeseale removal of it.

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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    Not only did I support it at the time, but I still support it, and would in fact support expanding its powers.

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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    But do you actually believe the act has done much good here at home and what would you expand in it Tigger? Don't you think our military operations over seas seem to have done a much better job in catching and preventing terrorism where this act has really done nothing but strip us of freedom?
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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    To be quite honest unless any of us are part of the intelligence field we likely have a passing understanding, at best, of what effect the Patriot Act has had in regards to combatting terrorism and other crimes. And unless we're deeply intrenched in such a community we probalby don't have a full understanding of its ramafications domestically...and someone in such a position isn't going to be posting about it here on some random online forum. Not to mention that with the mammoth of a bill that is the Patriot Act and the wide reach it has, mixed with peoples misunderstanding of it at times, there's a good chance even those that utilize it may not be aware they're using it or that they may think they're using it when in actuality they're utilizing things set down in other laws all together.

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    Re: Do you support the Patriot Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    But do you actually believe the act has done much good here at home and what would you expand in it Tigger? Don't you think our military operations over seas seem to have done a much better job in catching and preventing terrorism where this act has really done nothing but strip us of freedom?
    A couple things to note, Justice.... I'm an Authoritarian. Freedom and Liberty are PRIVILEGES in my mind, not Rights; and definitely not things that should be extended to any non-citizen here in the United States. I would expand it to ensure that we know where every non-citizen in the US is on a daily basis, electroncially. I believe we need to SECURE both our land borders and to patrol our sea and air borders with more military and less civilian power.

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