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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Of course you do, your entire reasoning is self serving by it's very nature.
    If IP laws are loosened, you may have to do more work to earn the same income.
    So, you'd be okay to do more work to earn the same income just because other people wanted to use your work to make money for themselves.

    Knowing all that, your arguments aren't any more valid than a non IP producer.
    You blame them for wanting something for nothing, while at the same time you want something for nothing.
    So wanting the profits earned by one's own work as long as that work is producing revenue is the same as wanting something for nothing.

    Never mind. This is the reason I hate these "we want to use the IP of other people for our own gain" threads with a pink-and-purple passion. MY work is MY work, and as long as it is producing revenue, I or my heirs are entitled to it.

    /my contribution to this discussion.. or, as I like to think of it, my "infraction avoidance protocol".

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    So, you'd be okay to do more work to earn the same income just because other people wanted to use your work to make money for themselves.
    Yes, in fact I do this every single week.
    It's called a job and this is how it works for the vast majority of people.

    I get paid to build things, my company sells them and makes a profit and so do I.
    But I can't just make one thing and derive a lifetime of benefits.

    Edit: also, the economic climate of the world changes, it's dynamic.
    Some jobs pay less than they used to and it's up to the individual to create more value, in order to make more money.
    What you guys are telling me is that, you should be exempt from an evolving world.
    T'aint gonna happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    So wanting the profits earned by one's own work as long as that work is producing revenue is the same as wanting something for nothing.

    Never mind. This is the reason I hate these "we want to use the IP of other people for our own gain" threads with a pink-and-purple passion. MY work is MY work, and as long as it is producing revenue, I or my heirs are entitled to it.

    /my contribution to this discussion.. or, as I like to think of it, my "infraction avoidance protocol".
    I'm not trying to be inflammatory, but what you're telling me is that one instance of work, is enough to earn you and your family a lifetime of benefits.
    We can argue all day about this, but if you aren't updating your work, refreshing it, etc, you've essentially abandoned it.
    Someone else should have the opportunity to make it better than you did, without having to pay you or get your permission.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    So wanting the profits earned by one's own work as long as that work is producing revenue is the same as wanting something for nothing.
    You only wrote the book once. How many times do you expect to get paid for it? That's what our resident economists are describing as "rent-seeking" behavior, as opposed to productive behavior like writing more books.

    Don't get me wrong, I support our right to make profits from our work-- but if our right to profit is only secured due to a public interest in ensuring that our work continues, then at some point that protection must give way to the public interest in seeing that our works are accessible. There needs to be a balance between these two competing interests.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not trying to be inflammatory, but what you're telling me is that one instance of work, is enough to earn you and your family a lifetime of benefits.
    We can argue all day about this, but if you aren't updating your work, refreshing it, etc, you've essentially abandoned it.
    Someone else should have the opportunity to make it better than you did, without having to pay you or get your permission.
    Trouble is, the primary creative force behind the work (the artist) is making the least money from it. The guy with the very least creativity involved (distributors) makes the lion's share of the money even long after the artistic work is completed. And it's the distributors making the most noise about copyright infringement.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    We should all respect it and pay for this stuff.. Don't you want to be paid for your work? Of course you do. But this thread made me think of an article I read the other day on Slate.

    A little copyright infringement is good for the economy and society:
    SOPA: Stopping online piracy would be a social and economic disaster. - Slate Magazine
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Trouble is, the primary creative force behind the work (th is making the least money from it. The guy with the very least creativity involved (distributors) makes the lion's share of the money even long after the artistic work is completed. And it's the distributors making the most noise about copyright infringement.
    A ****ing men. This is another problem I have with the nature of IP as it currently exists.

    How many millions or perhaps billions of dollars in revenue has Microsoft derived from the Halo video game franchise? What portion of that actually went to the creators (the developers/programmers, voice actors, storyboard writers, concept artists etc.?)
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You only wrote the book once. How many times do you expect to get paid for it? That's what our resident economists are describing as "rent-seeking" behavior, as opposed to productive behavior like writing more books.

    Don't get me wrong, I support our right to make profits from our work-- but if our right to profit is only secured due to a public interest in ensuring that our work continues, then at some point that protection must give way to the public interest in seeing that our works are accessible. There needs to be a balance between these two competing interests.
    Right on the money Vik.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    The internet is now seen as American property, as opposed to a construct of organically flowing ideas.

    To be honest I don't really care about copyright law, and I don't mean that in an "I want to steal files" kind of way; I mean it more in a, "I am so sick of the way our government has been taking away freedoms" kind of way.

    There always exists a middle route where compromise can be had. To me, the entertainment industry is basically tearing apart something that could make our whole race better off - a free information system. I think the government can handle losing power over that - after all, government power is already divided into the different branches in our country's case. It's the profiteers that cannot handle free information.

    It is not the every day people who are behind internet censorship, it's big companies that have already raked in hundreds of billions of dollars over the years. The average joe publisher is not why the internet crack down is happening, Iran style. It's because the powers that be are not having the influence on the net that they're used to in the offline world, and they need to tweak the net.

    I really hope servers continue to move overseas into protected areas. There will always be some countries that don't give a **** what the U.S. government thinks.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You only wrote the book once. How many times do you expect to get paid for it?
    As many times as somebody wants to purchase the content of their book.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As many times as somebody wants to purchase the content of their book.
    Nothing else in our society works that way.

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