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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Shouldn't we be paying China royalties on gunpowder?
    I thought Marco Polo bought the license!!

    they have invented some really good table tennis rubber that the Tamasu Company (Butterfly) allegedly reverse engineered in the 70s!!

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Yes, but we are not talking about plagiarism and you are distorting the topic at hand. As I already noted, Long properly cites all his references in his works. I also use references in my writings. Enjoy your red herring.
    You obviously don't even begin to comprehend what I just explained to you. Your link states that memorization implies ownership. That on ANY field would be akin to plagiarism, fraud etc. That the author begins to argue that a person owns IP because they memorized it is at best a retarded understanding of ownership and at worst blatant dishonesty.

    Does freedom of speech mean anything to you or do you like to prohibit people from using, reproducing, and trading ideas that were supposedly original creation of the mind?
    Freedom of speech has nothing to do with copyright lmao.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Shouldn't we be paying China royalties on gunpowder?
    Arguments like this is why it's impossible to debate IP with a thief. They reduce their arguments to sheer absurdity.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Arguments like this is why it's impossible to debate IP with a thief. They reduce their arguments to sheer absurdity.
    While the comment itself was a bit absurd, I think he brings up a valid point, one I mentioned before - the distinction between an original work and an unoriginal one is often subjective and artificial, as is often the difference between an invention and a discovery.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    While the comment itself was a bit absurd, I think he brings up a valid point, one I mentioned before - the distinction between an original work and an unoriginal one is often subjective and artificial, as is often the difference between an invention and a discovery.
    Which point? Whether we should be paying China royalties for gun powder? You have got to be ****ting me. In case you aren't. Why stop there? Why not pay royalties to cro-magnon bones for fire? Wait wait - let's pay royalties to the San for our gratuitous use of their language in The God's Must Be Crazy? However that brings up the question - why is it that China isn't up in arms about the global use of gun powder? Maybe because it would be retarded to try and pay royalties to a country. It also has nothing to do with intellectual property which concerns the illegal use of an individual's work. When you reduce an argument to absurdity, expect to be ridiculed.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Arguments like this is why it's impossible to debate IP with a thief. They reduce their arguments to sheer absurdity.
    Whoosh.....

    It is called a joke and not an actual argument. Lighten the **** up.
    Last edited by Antiderivative; 01-21-12 at 11:06 PM.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You obviously don't even begin to comprehend what I just explained to you. Your link states that memorization implies ownership. That on ANY field would be akin to plagiarism, fraud etc. That the author begins to argue that a person owns IP because they memorized it is at best a retarded understanding of ownership and at worst blatant dishonesty.
    While I agree that it was a terrible example, you miss the bigger picture which is that copyrights is essentially ownership of the mind. Once those thoughts enter someone else's mind, you cannot own those, unless you own the person.

    Freedom of speech has nothing to do with copyright lmao.
    Copyrights limit the transmission of using, reproducing, and trading ideas, and hence a curtailment on freedom of speech and expression.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Can't see how rent seeking makes the economy better, in fact the opposite tends to be true.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    While the comment itself was a bit absurd, I think he brings up a valid point, one I mentioned before - the distinction between an original work and an unoriginal one is often subjective and artificial, as is often the difference between an invention and a discovery.
    I was being hyperbolic and facetious which escaped our dear friends Hatuey and TD. It was never meant to be an actual argument.

    However, the "invention" of fire, the wheel, or gunpowder could be subject to copyright laws since at one point of time they were considered "original applications" of an individual. Afterall, wouldn't they be considered "original" works that could not be produced without the "owner's" consent?
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    I was being hyperbolic and facetious which escaped our dear friends Hatuey and TD. It was never meant to be an actual argument.

    However, the "invention" of fire, the wheel, or gunpowder could be subject to copyright laws since at one point of time they were considered "original applications" of an individual. Afterall, wouldn't they be considered "original" works that could not be produced without the "owner's" consent?
    Yeah, I figured it was a joke.

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