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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Not so fast - it really depends on what kind of "idea" it is. Certainly I can understand why a composer of a piece of music, or the author of a book, or the developers of a video game - has a claim of ownership to their own work. Those creations are generally so complex and unique that they are indeed original and due to the maker's effort and hard work.
    Those so-called complex creations are built upon the works of others. In essence, you are implying that the works of Shakespeare, Homer, Bach, Mozart were created in a vacuum, when they were not.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So then why don't you apply this to IP? Do you steal a book from your local bookstore because you don't believe you should have to pay for it?
    Okay, now I saw Redress' post and see where I didn't come across right. I do apply it to IP. I'm not advocating the theft.

    I might be convinced that the law should be changed, but as of right now it is a crime. I would only advocate breaking a law if it was severely disgusting or morally reprehensible. This one is not.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Disagree. Regardless of the morality of IP laws, this behavior is, in effect, depriving someone, somewhere, of income that they would otherwise be receiving if you had obeyed the law - as you have used their creation. You have used a good/service and it is only fair that you pay for that usage in some form. It doesn't matter whether or not it's for "personal use," even if you don't decide to copy and redistribute it.
    carried to an extreme, we should't listen to the radio.....right? I fail to see how listening to music is "using" it....
    All my music is paid for CD's.....I paid for each of them one time, get to listen all I want. Hardly seems fair to all those poor song writers, singers, musicians, etc.....
    The worst part of their industry isn't plagiarism, it is the music publishing industry that controls what gets promoted, produced, played....
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Those so-called complex creations are built upon the works of others. In essence, you are implying that the works of Shakespeare, Homer, Bach, Mozart were created in a vacuum, when they were not.
    In many cases this is true, but not necessarily so. Either way, the distinction between an original and unoriginal work is often subjective and artificial, which is why I agree with some Libertarian arguments against IP law as it exists today.

    But I still think people who put that much hard work and effort into the creation of a work are entitled to some sort of protection.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    carried to an extreme, we should't listen to the radio.....right? I fail to see how listening to music is "using" it....
    All my music is paid for CD's.....I paid for each of them one time, get to listen all I want. Hardly seems fair to all those poor song writers, singers, musicians, etc.....
    The worst part of their industry isn't plagiarism, it is the music publishing industry that controls what gets promoted, produced, played....
    Listening to it on the radio gives them advertising revenue. Buying the CD was fulfilling an implied contract that if you give them money, you get to listen as much as you want.

    Just throwing that out there.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    carried to an extreme, we should't listen to the radio.....right? I fail to see how listening to music is "using" it....
    Not necessarily, because the creators of the work derive revenue from advertising in that case.

    All my music is paid for CD's.....I paid for each of them one time, get to listen all I want. Hardly seems fair to all those poor song writers, singers, musicians, etc.....
    Well, in all honesty it's usually not the artists who are being harmed by the violation of piracy laws - generally speaking it's those who work behind the scenes. Sometimes they are entitled to their "fair share" under the law, sometimes they aren't - it's not an easy distinction.

    The worst part of their industry isn't plagiarism, it is the music publishing industry that controls what gets promoted, produced, played....
    I don't disagree.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Well, stealing is just generally wrong. On the other hand, to believe kids pirating copies of Harry Potter movies could possibly cripple the gargantuan American economy is ludicrous.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Well, stealing is just generally wrong. On the other hand, to believe kids pirating copies of Harry Potter movies could possibly cripple the gargantuan American economy is ludicrous.
    In that case, I would be more concerned about what is wrong with our kids than about the economy. Maybe that's just me though.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    In many cases this is true, but not necessarily so. Either way, the distinction between an original and unoriginal work is often subjective and artificial, which is why I agree with some Libertarian arguments against IP law as it exists today.
    Just to point out, IP and copyright laws divide libertarians. Not all libertarians are against IP and some support them. However, in my experience it is rather a minor issues among libertarians.

    But I still think people who put that much hard work and effort into the creation of a work are entitled to some sort of protection.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    In that case, I would be more concerned about what is wrong with our kids than about the economy. Maybe that's just me though.
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