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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    making a copy of music, videos, etc. for personal use is little harm or foul, using any copy, legal or otherwise, to make money is where the issue gets important.
    As somebody who makes a very comfortable living from their intellectual property, I wholeheartedly disagree.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why, I think a legitimate function of government is to protect property rights and a copyright is a form of property right
    You are exceptional though~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are exceptional though~
    And he's a lawyer. He needs clients :P
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Aren't you a Libertarian? Don't you believe in voting with your wallet? If something is too expensive at Target do you steal it? No? Why not?
    I'm not sure you got my meaning, but I'm going to assume you did and answer appropriately.

    Yes, I'm closer to libertarian than other parties.

    In a commercial environment, I like to vote with my wallet. I believe in the invisible hand, free markets and other core principals (though I always leave the caveat for supporting some regulations).

    If something is too expensive at Target, I look for it at Wal-Mart, Cosco, etc or I try to find a substitute commodity.

    All else failing, I follow the law and pay what I need to pay to get what I need for my family.
    Omniscience just sucks without omnipotence!

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I'm not sure you got my meaning, but I'm going to assume you did and answer appropriately.

    Yes, I'm closer to libertarian than other parties.

    In a commercial environment, I like to vote with my wallet. I believe in the invisible hand, free markets and other core principals (though I always leave the caveat for supporting some regulations).

    If something is too expensive at Target, I look for it at Wal-Mart, Cosco, etc or I try to find a substitute commodity.

    All else failing, I follow the law and pay what I need to pay to get what I need for my family.
    So then why don't you apply this to IP? Do you steal a book from your local bookstore because you don't believe you should have to pay for it?
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    You missed the point of where Long states that once you buy a book, poem, or piece of music, you own it. That the author has received their money, and therefore that particular book, poem, or music of is not their anymore. It is yours, and you have the right to trade it or give it away.

    In addition, works of arts, music, inventions, and literature are works built upon themselves and are never are original. To claim that you have an original idea and therefore a monopoly on a piece of thought is completely absurd.
    Not so fast - it really depends on what kind of "idea" it is. Certainly I can understand why a composer of a piece of music, or the author of a book, or the developers of a video game - has a claim of ownership to their own work. Those creations are generally so complex and unique that they are indeed original and due to the maker's effort and hard work.

    On the other hand, I remember watching a Youtube vid of three different comedians (one was DL Hughley, one was Russell Peters, forget who the third one was) all telling the same joke about who the federal government would get to build the border fence once all the Mexicans were deported. Conceivably, all three could have come up with that joke independently - should one of them own the royalties to that specific joke? This would be an instance of where IP would run into some issues.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Does the word plagiarism not mean anything to you? At all? Please try that with a college professor? Try to pass of Nietche's work as your own. Considering you supposedly own it, there should be no harm and no foul correct?
    Yes, but we are not talking about plagiarism and you are distorting the topic at hand. As I already noted, Long properly cites all his references in his works. I also use references in my writings. Enjoy your red herring.

    Does freedom of speech mean anything to you or do you like to prohibit people from using, reproducing, and trading ideas that were supposedly original creation of the mind?

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why, I think a legitimate function of government is to protect property rights and a copyright is a form of property right
    Intellectual property differs in nature from other forms of property, for obvious reasons. Some of the rights that should rightfully apply to individual property don't necessarily translate smoothly when we talk about intellectual property and people's ideas.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. Am I begging to be robbed? What the **** is up with blaming the victim?
    Whoa there! I see your concern, but I meant to emphasize why the crime is so constant and that I don't like their policies. I don't mean to justify the crime. It's still a crime.
    Omniscience just sucks without omnipotence!

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    What if no one pirated anything on the Internet? Everyone only watched movies they paid to see, only used non-freeware software that they've paid for, only downloaded copyrighted music after legitimately paying for it, etc. In other words, everyone adhered strictly to copyright law. Would that help the economy?

    Note: This question is only about copyrighted material. Some software is freeware; some books and movies have expired copyrights, etc. Those materials are legal to freely distribute. This thread is not about those.
    I am not too sure it would have much of a impact,maybe on second hand stores it might.I suspect that the reason people download copyrighted stuff is because they are too cheap to go to the movie theaters, buy a brand new game, movie,book, application or whatever anytime something new comes out or simply can't afford it. They might buy a few new movies,and buy from a second hand or used store and get freeware, and public domain stuff. But they are most certainly not going to rush to the store and buy the same amount of stuff that they downloaded for free just because one day they decided to respect the copyright laws.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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