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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Which legitimate arguments are there? Which intellectual property?
    Here: The Libertarian Case Against Intellectual Property Rights

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    That has to be some sort of joke.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That has to be some sort of joke.
    That is kinda what I was thinking reading it.

    Suppose I write a poem, and you read it and memorize it. By memorizing it, you have in effect created a "software" duplicate of the poem to be stored in your brain. But clearly I can claim no rights over that copy so long as you remain a free and autonomous individual. That copy in your head is yours and no one else's.
    But now suppose you proceed to transcribe my poem, to make a "hard copy" of the information stored in your brain. The materials you use pen and ink are your own property. The information template which you used that is, the stored memory of the poem is also your own property. So how can the hard copy you produce from these materials be anything but yours to publish, sell, adapt, or otherwise treat as you please?
    An item of intellectual property is a universal. Unless we are to believe in Platonic Forms, universals as such do not exist, except insofar as they are realized in their many particular instances. Accordingly, I do not see how anyone can claim to own, say, the text of Atlas Shrugged unless that amounts to a claim to own every single physical copy of Atlas Shrugged. But the copy of Atlas Shrugged on my bookshelf does not belong to Ayn Rand or to her estate. It belongs to me. I bought it. I paid for it. (Rand presumably got royalties from the sale, and I'm sure it wasn't sold without her permission!)
    I read that and all I could think was "put down the ****ing bong, it's making you ****ing stupid".
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    I didn't vote because Nither option is correct. You should respect a person's intellectual property as much as you should respect their physical property. On the other hand, that wouldn't fix the economy.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That has to be some sort of joke.
    Nope, but feel free to elaborate.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is kinda what I was thinking reading it.



    I read that and all I could think was "put down the ****ing bong, it's making you ****ing stupid".
    That's essentially why I'm personally of the opinion that some arguments against IP as it exists today have some sort of merit - other libertarian arguments against IP in general are just stupid, like the one cited above.

    Needless to say I don't think it's a black-and-white, hard-and-fast issue to judge.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    making a copy of music, videos, etc. for personal use is little harm or foul, using any copy, legal or otherwise, to make money is where the issue gets important.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    By memorizing it, you have in effect created a "software" duplicate of the poem to be stored in your brain. But clearly I can claim no rights over that copy so long as you remain a free and autonomous individual. That copy in your head is yours and no one else's.
    But now suppose you proceed to transcribe my poem, to make a "hard copy" of the information stored in your brain. The materials you use — pen and ink — are your own property. The information template which you used — that is, the stored memory of the poem — is also your own property. So how can the hard copy you produce from these materials be anything but yours to publish, sell, adapt, or otherwise treat as you please?
    How many times have I heard "Stairway to Heaven?" To think that I should have been getting royalties all along because I heard it.


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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is kinda what I was thinking reading it.



    I read that and all I could think was "put down the ****ing bong, it's making you ****ing stupid".
    It seems to me that the author has absolutely no understanding of plagiarism. That's one of the weakest arguments I've ever read.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Nope, but feel free to elaborate.
    Did you actually read it? It's ****ing retarded. You don't get to claim ownership of a poem simply because you memorized it. Furthermore you don't get to sell the poem or steal the book it came in even if you memorized it. You don't even get to make your own book and put the poem inside of it because you memorized it. In essence the link you posted is the very reason why I can't take ANY argument against IP seriously. Because it makes no ****ing sense nor does it actually take into consideration the debate at hand.
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