View Poll Results: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagree

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    What if no one pirated anything on the Internet? Everyone only watched movies they paid to see, only used non-freeware software that they've paid for, only downloaded copyrighted music after legitimately paying for it, etc. In other words, everyone adhered strictly to copyright law. Would that help the economy?

    Note: This question is only about copyrighted material. Some software is freeware; some books and movies have expired copyrights, etc. Those materials are legal to freely distribute. This thread is not about those.
    It would be better for some and worse for others.

    I love this notion that there is one big economy that we all get to enjoy. Get over that notion quickly. The economy that is lived in by people who violate copy write law is quite different than the economy of the corporations that make the material.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Amazing how this kind of copying has been going on for a couple decades and there wasn't this big push to crack down on the VCR recorder and VCR tape manufactures.
    Short memory. They did. They lost. Thanks in large part to Mister Rogers.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Short memory. They did. They lost. Thanks in large part to Mister Rogers.
    Then I would think this would set a precedence.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Short memory. They did. They lost. Thanks in large part to Mister Rogers.
    It's not that they lost. There was a compromise in which whenever someone bought a VHS tape, part of the price included royalty payments that went back to people who broadcast content on TV.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Since liability for copyright infringement also includes those who circulate it, this forum, essentially every forum and probably 90% of websites become actionable and illegal.

    Understand the OP poll is false. Copyright infringement is already actionable. The question is should the government be able to shut down any website without any due process because the powers that be want it shut down. This actually has nothing to do with copyright infringement and instead with raw government power of summary censorship.

    The real poll question should be:

    Can the government shut secretly and without any recourse be able to shut down block any website, any blog, any forum and any IP host solely on the governments decision?

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    Last edited by joko104; 01-24-12 at 01:12 AM.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Since liability for copyright infringement also includes those who circulate it, this forum, essentially every forum and probably 90% of websites become actionable and illegal.

    Understand the OP poll is false. Copyright infringement is already actionable. The question is should the government be able to shut down any website without any due process because the powers that be want it shut down. This actually has nothing to do with copyright infringement and instead with raw government power of summary censorship.

    The real poll question should be:

    Can the government shut secretly and without any recourse be able to shut down block any website, any blog, any forum and any IP host solely on the governments decision?

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    Actually, that's a completely different poll, which you're free to post if you want. My question doesn't have anything to do with the government. Yes, there are already laws on the books, but those are not what my question is about, nor is it about any of the proposed new laws. Mine is about whether or not it would help the economy if people respected copyright more. In other words, it's about people choosing to respect copyright instead of just going for whatever download they want. I wondered about that because of the guy I know who runs the sexual fetish video web site. Perhaps if no one illegally spread his videos around the net he would sell more of them and therefore make more money. Then if there are more people like him making more money, perhaps that would stimulate the economy overall.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    I can't believe so many people stick up for the same companies that screw them. It's like being in a bad relationship and enjoying it. The companies are the ones that need the change. Just at look what Napster led to. Lots of people who used to download music illegally now download it legally through iTunes and such. Don't change the laws, change your business model!
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    What if no one pirated anything on the Internet? Everyone only watched movies they paid to see, only used non-freeware software that they've paid for, only downloaded copyrighted music after legitimately paying for it, etc. In other words, everyone adhered strictly to copyright law. Would that help the economy?

    Note: This question is only about copyrighted material. Some software is freeware; some books and movies have expired copyrights, etc. Those materials are legal to freely distribute. This thread is not about those.
    Our problems with the economy have less to do with pirated material and more to do with the debt ceiling and government over-spending, so I highly doubt it would make any meaningful difference.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Amazing how this kind of copying has been going on for a couple decades and there wasn't this big push to crack down on the VCR recorder and VCR tape manufactures.
    Oh, they tried. The recording industry has fought against every single new recording technology that's come along since the audio tape. Instead of embracing change and adapting to the new paradigm, they cling to their old ways and scream at anything new that comes along. Always have, probably always will. Dinosaurs ought to go extinct.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    What if no one pirated anything on the Internet? Everyone only watched movies they paid to see, only used non-freeware software that they've paid for, only downloaded copyrighted music after legitimately paying for it, etc. In other words, everyone adhered strictly to copyright law. Would that help the economy?

    Note: This question is only about copyrighted material. Some software is freeware; some books and movies have expired copyrights, etc. Those materials are legal to freely distribute. This thread is not about those.
    I don't feel that either of your 'poll options' are accurate enough - It is important to pay for all items you wish to own . . . but I don't think that people not doing so has remotely hurt the economy. If people want to theive - they will theive. If it's harder to theive they won't just turn around and pay for goods they never intended on buying to begin with.

    For tangible goods theft is different - it means that an item is physically not available for purchase for someone who has money. Thus - the store must cover the loss, they don't get to sell the items - so it's called 'shrink'

    But digital items that are duplicated with little use of tangible materials and does not shorten the available supply of said item for following customers does not, therefor, negatively impact income or economy of anyone. You know though - when it comes to ill gotten digital media. I prefer to buy everything: but I can't just walk into a store to buy it because it won't be there. I could shop at 30 stores and what I want won't be there.

    The industry is at fault for a lack of available tangible goods to actually buy - maybe they should fix that for those of us who do follow the law, pay for all items we wish to purchase, but their availability is nill.

    In the same way that most theives won't turn around and purchase items they don't want to buy - I'm not going to turn around and theive an item that I want to own becaues that's not my prerogative or thought process.

    Just like hte knock-off designer purse market (etc). . . if I wanted to own something that said "Gucci" and didn't want to spend $2,000 - I wouldn't spend $2,000 . . . . I'd either find a cheap one (real or not) or I just wouldn't buy it.
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