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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think it has given more control to the powers that control distribution than any time in history and marginalized artists.

    It is industry run amok.
    Agreed. Though it is wrong to steal, I'll still not shed any tears for the robber baron's lost profits.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Agreed. Though it is wrong to steal, I'll still not shed any tears for the robber baron's lost profits.
    What I basically think we have now is like the old system of when movie studios owned the theaters as well as the creative end. Except it is even worse than that now. They are getting even more free work more or less and making boo koo's bucks on it.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Which commercially sold product in this country can you simply take advantage of without paying for it first?
    What other commercially sold products in this country can you make an infinite supply of for free?

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    Lets just take for example C.S. Lewis? Can you simply take one of his books from a shelf without paying for it because he's been dead for 50 years? Obviously you wouldn't walk into a book store and take one of those books there regardless of how long the author has been deceased. So what's so different about doing the same thing with IP? That's what people who defend the theft of IP can't seem to answer. If they wouldn't steal the physical representation of the works, what makes stealing the digital version any less of a theft?
    Because when you steal a physical representation of the work, whomever you stole it from has one less copy and is out the cost of buying another one. When you make a copy of an intellectual property, nobody has lost anything. They still have every copy they paid to produce, and they still have all the profits from all the sales they have made and are continuing to make; whether it is illegally copied a hundred times or a hundred million times, they haven't lost a single cent. The only thing that matters is how many copies they sell, and the idea that every illegal download is a lost sale is pure fantasy on the part of corporate interests that are losing market share to competitors-- legitimate competitors-- who have learned to work with emerging technology instead of against it.

    A person deciding not to purchase your goods is not the same thing as a person stealing or destroying them, and your attempts to equate them are morally dishonest.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    What other commercially sold products in this country can you make an infinite supply of for free?
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    Because when you steal a physical representation of the work, whomever you stole it from has one less copy and is out the cost of buying another one. When you make a copy of an intellectual property, nobody has lost anything
    Didn't you have to pay for something to make that copy with? Or did you steal that too?

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    I'm going to comment even though I have zero moral high ground to stand on. I've downloaded ****loads of pirated movies, TV shows, and software. However, I'm considering quitting based on recent events. My boyfriend and I share the same sexual fetish and recently subscribed to a web site that creates really well made videos of that fetish. (No, I'm not saying what the fetish is on this board, but it is known to some DP members, so you can find out if you're resourceful or just PM me if you must know.) Anyway, the videos are really well made and get us in the mood and are worth paying for. However, the site has had a problem with people sharing the entire paid contents of the site via torrents. That does make it very tempting to just download and enjoy all the content for free. However, if everyone did that, the site owner could not make any money and he would close it down. The site owner has costs he must meet before he can make any money for. There are specialist "models" they call them that actually make their living doing that fetish in videos. He pays to fly them to Holland where he makes the vids and then of course he needs to pay them to perform on camera. The videos are not free to make. Without financial support, they would not get made. That's why I feel a lot better about paying for a legitimate membership to watch them than I would about just finding them in a torrent. I'm glad they exist. We've been enjoying them a lot. (No, I'm not going to link to the site -- that would probably break some kind of rule here. If you can't live without knowing what it is, then PM me.)

    I guess that makes me a reformed sexual fetish pirate. I wasn't kidding when I said I don't have a ton of moral high ground to stand on, but, oh, well, I am who I am. My starting point is to quit pirating sex vids. Now I might quit pirating other stuff, but I have a long way to go. My boyfriend set up this computer and I don't think he paid for a single program on it. Even the operating system is pirated.

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    A toughie..
    Yes, the economy would be better if we(all of us) had more respect for our fellow man.
    But we don't.
    True, it sounds good to honor, respect and appreciate another man's property...ideally, this is the way things should be...
    But, along comes the Internet and the "information" explosion. ......
    IMO, this problem has been around for a long time....day 5 in the history of man.
    I think that whatever a man does in public has to be "public".....this can change,of course.
    We do need the copyright laws ....I think.....
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    as man progresses, he will be more and more socialistic, then sharing intellectual property will be the order of the day and society will be great...this will be some time in the future. We have too many "robber barons" and thieves around today.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    I must respect you, Luna, really respect.
    What you write takes guts....you do possess the moral high ground...IMO.
    I think that the total value of all of this "pirated" intangible property to be but nickels and dimes, since so many others have done the same.
    Maybe another 1 % in our taxes ????
    Or more advertising.....
    Every Viagra pill sold is another penny for the site owner ????

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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    What other commercially sold products in this country can you make an infinite supply of for free?
    First of all, IP is not infinite supply of creativity. It's constrained by the fact that the individual's life and creative periods are both finite. That's why the works of Van Gogh are worth millions and the works of some hipster kid aren't. At least not yet.

    Because when you steal a physical representation of the work, whomever you stole it from has one less copy and is out the cost of buying another one. When you make a copy of an intellectual property, nobody has lost anything. They still have every copy they paid to produce, and they still have all the profits from all the sales they have made and are continuing to make; whether it is illegally copied a hundred times or a hundred million times, they haven't lost a single cent. The only thing that matters is how many copies they sell, and the idea that every illegal download is a lost sale is pure fantasy on the part of corporate interests that are losing market share to competitors-- legitimate competitors-- who have learned to work with emerging technology instead of against it.

    A person deciding not to purchase your goods is not the same thing as a person stealing or destroying them, and your attempts to equate them are morally dishonest.
    This is simply nonsense. When you a physical copy you're paying for the content of it. When you buy a digital copy, you're paying for the same content. There is absolutely no difference between them. They're different mediums for the exact same thing. So to say that a physical copy and digital copy are separated by the loss of income is simply ridiculous. Adobe loses more from people who won't buy their products and instead steal photoshop, than it does from people who run into the store to try and grab the program from the shelves.
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    First of all, IP is not infinite supply of creativity. It's constrained by the fact that the individual's life and creative periods are both finite.
    Uh, I think he means that once an entire work is completed, making infinite copies is far far far lest costly than with physical goods.

    I say far far less because of issues like bandwidth if selling online [and it is really popular], or streaming video, even hard disk space for storing that stuff - that's what keeps me from saying "0 cost".
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    Re: The economy would be better if more people respected copyright law. Agree/disagr

    I have no idea either way. I do know if I paid for something and I want to share it for free privately, I should be able to because it's mine. For instance Back in the day I would by a tape and let a friend copy it etc. Or record a song on the radio and let someone else record it from me. The record company's seemed to do just fine. Now because I download it, it should be different? I am not talking about putting it on the internet for anyone to download as that is stealing as everyone could get it. Privately though, I just don't see the issue as I paid for it and it is mine.

    Like I said, I don't know.
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