View Poll Results: How long should a copyright last before the I.P. becomes public domain?

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  • There should be no such thing as a copyright.

    6 5.71%
  • 1-20 years after intellectual property is created

    19 18.10%
  • 21-40 years after intellectual property is created

    2 1.90%
  • 41-60 years after intellectual property is created

    1 0.95%
  • The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive

    24 22.86%
  • 1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    14 13.33%
  • 21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • 41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)

    20 19.05%
  • other idea or I do not know(please specify)

    13 12.38%
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    More character assassination, why?
    Can you not debate me without deceptively insulting me?

    Makes your position look very weak.
    It's because you're taking on the air of expertise in subjects in which it's apparent you don't have it -- and you're being smug about it.


    People can acquire the property of another, without having to hunt down the owner, through both abandonment and adverse possession.
    It addresses the point you made.
    Really? Show me that point.


    IP for some moronic reason, is excluded.
    Umm, it doesn't apply to most any other kind of property, either. Not even all real property.


    You asked for something very specific, which I'm not going to bother to find.
    Well, you said it exist in multiple numbers, so . . .


    Primarily because it requires more work than I want to do and I still wouldn't advance my position with you, if I did find it.
    You don't care and aren't willing to moderate your position.
    Which position is that, specifically?
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Prove that those people will pay for it, if the "free" weren't available
    You're making the claim they wouldn't be harmed, so you prove all of them wouldn't.

    And please -- you really think most people who buy stuff today wouldn't take it for free if it was legal to do so? You can't possibly.

    You're definitely being purposely obtuse.



    I've downloaded things I've wanted to try, before I buy and the producer lost, not one cent.

    What your saying is that you want an unbalanced market to benefit you, at the expense of an ignorant consumer?
    Is that right?
    No, I'm saying that copyright holders have the right to make you pay if you want a copy, your personal preference for a free trial notwithstanding.

    You want free stuff. You think you're entitled to it. There, you said it.


    Also, I did not download Skyrim, before I purchased it.
    Oh, well, aren't you a saint for obeying the law once.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's because you're taking on the air of expertise in subjects in which it's apparent you don't have it -- and you're being smug about it.
    So you say, yet I've addressed the argument of litigation.
    You were partially wrong, a work is copy protected after it is affixed to a medium, registration can takes place after infringement and legal proceedings can take place.

    So you aren't exactly the "creme de la creme" of rightness on this subject either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Really? Show me that point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw
    This argument is similar to those who insist that if it's hard to find the owner of land to ask permission to be on that land, then it isn't really trespassing -- or shouldn't be.
    It isn't trespassing after the person meets the qualifications of adverse possession.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Umm, it doesn't apply to most any other kind of property, either. Not even all real property.
    Real property in many places, eventually, becomes forfeit to the state, after a period of time.
    Although not all states do this.

    Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Well, you said it exist in multiple numbers, so . . .
    Yes there are multiple instances of orphan works.
    They can be as common as an unknown families pictures, all the way to novels and movies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which position is that, specifically?
    Your position on IP.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yes. This. Very much. All the "high-minded" talk is just smokescreen.
    Why, because you say so?

    The high minded talk is, well, high minded talk - the stuff I am quoting is an attempt to avoid debate.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You're making the claim they wouldn't be harmed, so you prove all of them wouldn't.

    And please -- you really think most people who buy stuff today wouldn't take it for free if it was legal to do so? You can't possibly.

    You're definitely being purposely obtuse.
    You think legality prevents people from violating copy protection?
    Why aren't all the media businesses, out of business now?

    I'm not being obtuse.
    I am saying, that just because something is free doesn't necessary mean people won't pay for a more legitimized product.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, I'm saying that copyright holders have the right to make you pay if you want a copy, your personal preference for a free trial notwithstanding.

    You want free stuff. You think you're entitled to it. There, you said it.
    No I don't.
    I think I should be able to test the product and if unhappy, get a return for the product.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, well, aren't you a saint for obeying the law once.
    I've done it more than once.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So you say, yet I've addressed the argument of litigation.
    You were partially wrong, a work is copy protected after it is affixed to a medium, registration can takes place after infringement and legal proceedings can take place.
    I never said anything with conflicts with any of this.


    So you aren't exactly the "creme de la creme" of rightness on this subject either.
    I haven't been wrong yet. You've apparently not understood what I've written if you think I have.



    It isn't trespassing after the person meets the qualifications of adverse possession.
    So what? Never said it did. Why are you making things up?

    I guess you entirely missed the point of what I posted if you think "adverse possession" applies in any way.


    Real property in many places, eventually, becomes forfeit to the state, after a period of time.
    Although not all states do this.

    Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    And what did I say that this has anything to do with?


    Yes there are multiple instances of orphan works.
    They can be as common as an unknown families pictures, all the way to novels and movies.
    Yippee. Didn't ask for that. Keep up with the strawmen if you wish, though.


    Your position on IP.
    Which is what?
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You think legality prevents people from violating copy protection?
    Why aren't all the media businesses, out of business now?
    This doesn't make any sense as a response to me.


    I'm not being obtuse.
    I am saying, that just because something is free doesn't necessary mean people won't pay for a more legitimized product.
    You didn't say anything remotely approaching that.



    No I don't.
    I think I should be able to test the product and if unhappy, get a return for the product.
    Yes, you do. You say it again -- you should be able to get a copy for free and then pay for it if you decide you want to.


    I've done it more than once.
    Well, send us pictures from the medal ceremony.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Why, because you say so?

    The high minded talk is, well, high minded talk - the stuff I am quoting is an attempt to avoid debate.
    Really? Where have I "avoided debate" anywhere along here?
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I never said anything with conflicts with any of this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If the work is "orphaned" there's no worry.
    You said this.
    That is incorrect.

    Litigation can happen, if an orphaned work is infringed upon.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I haven't been wrong yet. You've apparently not understood what I've written if you think I have.
    But you have, as I quoted above.



    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So what? Never said it did. Why are you making things up?

    I guess you entirely missed the point of what I posted if you think "adverse possession" applies in any way.
    You can trespass and then acquire a piece of property through adverse possession.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And what did I say that this has anything to do with?
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Umm, it doesn't apply to most any other kind of property, either. Not even all real property.
    Physical property can be acquire through abandonment and adverse possession.

    Lost, mislaid and abandoned property has to be found by the owner, for the owner to continue to keep it.
    With orphan works, the opposite is true.

    The person intent on using the property has to identify the true owner, else they may be infringing on the property rights of said owner.
    It's a contradiction of the law.

    You were wrong.




    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yippee. Didn't ask for that. Keep up with the strawmen if you wish, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Of works where the copyright was transferred with no record, the author is dead, and no heirs can be found? Where are these?
    I gave you a link to orphan works.
    Orphaned meaning that the owner may not be identifiable for various reasons.
    There is a multitude of these.

    You dismissed it, but I gave you what you asked for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which is what?
    You're general attitude towards those who want changes to IP law, like me.
    Gives me the idea that you aren't exactly concerned with the problems within the IP set of laws.

    You've dismissed the problems associated with orphan works.
    I could be wrong, but again, I don't believe you really care what I have to say.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This doesn't make any sense as a response to me.
    Legality doesn't matter, people still download these things for free, regardless.
    The media business is still profitable.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You didn't say anything remotely approaching that.
    I'm allowed to clarify, am I not?



    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yes, you do. You say it again -- you should be able to get a copy for free and then pay for it if you decide you want to.
    No, I said I did.
    My actions were done, based on the choices, I had available to me.

    If there wasn't a demo version or an option of full refund, I try before I buy.
    I do not believe I'm entitled to get something for free, but I like to have the option of wanting to try something before I decide to pay for it.

    There is a difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Well, send us pictures from the medal ceremony.
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