View Poll Results: How long should a copyright last before the I.P. becomes public domain?

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  • There should be no such thing as a copyright.

    6 5.71%
  • 1-20 years after intellectual property is created

    19 18.10%
  • 21-40 years after intellectual property is created

    2 1.90%
  • 41-60 years after intellectual property is created

    1 0.95%
  • The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive

    24 22.86%
  • 1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    14 13.33%
  • 21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • 41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)

    20 19.05%
  • other idea or I do not know(please specify)

    13 12.38%
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I disagree. I think the overwhelming majority people who are opposed to IP laws in their present form are simply trying to get **** for free and have ZERO interest in using IP to create their own original works. Case in point: Harry Guerrilla and pretty much everyone I've ever encountered on this forum against IP laws. They are people who don't really have their own livelihood threatened by punkass 16 year old kids who just want to get the works of others for free. This allows them to "support" movements like those of Anonymous when the government shuts down entities like Limewire. It's no skin off their backs so why shouldn't they be allowed to steal?
    Yes. This. Very much. All the "high-minded" talk is just smokescreen.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Let's put the ball back in your court, then. Without long duration copyrights, how do you propose that I make my money from creating intellectual properties, and how should the law protect me?
    If you want copy protection, you must opt in (registration or something of that sort), within a reasonable time frame.
    Once opted in, no one else can reproduce your work, for profit, within the duration, without your permission.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you want copy protection, you must opt in (registration or something of that sort), within a reasonable time frame.
    Once opted in, no one else can reproduce your work, for profit, within the duration, without your permission.
    And why only "for profit"?

    That's not much protection at all. People who pirate and upload all over the place most often don't have any profit involved.

    (Preserving your ability to get free stuff, I suppose.)
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you want copy protection, you must opt in (registration or something of that sort), within a reasonable time frame.
    Once opted in, no one else can reproduce your work, for profit, within the duration, without your permission.
    Copyright protection by law comes from the point of creation. Now then if one wants to really protect their copyright they should file with the Library of Congress at least on a yearly basis.

    Courts do also look at if one is a artist or not as well. IOW is it just a snap shot or is it a work of art and what is the history of the creator.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And a ton of other requirements.
    Not really.
    The general qualifications are pretty simple and much more logical than current IP law.




    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So? Has nothing to do with what I said.
    It actually does.
    One can acquire the property of another, if they don't maintain said property.

    The same should be true for IP, except "another" should be "the public."


    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And . . . where does this show what I asked for?
    That's one of the libraries of orphan works.
    Finding all the owners of each individual IP, would be dauntingly expensive, more so than what it's worth.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And why only "for profit"?
    If someone is not trying to derive a profit from your work or some other commercial purpose, you aren't necessarily harmed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's not much protection at all. People who pirate and upload all over the place most often don't have any profit involved.

    (Preserving your ability to get free stuff, I suppose.)
    Why do you guys keep assuming I want free stuff?
    The last piece of IP, I downloaded, I purchased through direct to drive.

    Would you like a copy of my receipt, will this satisfy you, so you'll stop with the character assassination?
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not really.
    The general qualifications are pretty simple and much more logical than current IP law.
    Yeah, like you had any idea before reading Wikipedia tonight.

    Adverse possession is hard, and any of a dozen things can derail it along the way. And it's purposely so, because property is property.


    It actually does.
    One can acquire the property of another, if they don't maintain said property.

    The same should be true for IP, except "another" should be "the public."
    Oh, well, then I misspoke; you simply have no idea what I said.


    That's one of the libraries of orphan works.
    No, that's not what I asked you for.


    Finding all the owners of each individual IP, would be dauntingly expensive, more so than what it's worth.
    Too bad, so sad. Guess they're just not going to be used.

    But hatuey's likely right; you don't even actually care about this anyway . . .
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If someone is not trying to derive a profit from your work or some other commercial purpose, you aren't necessarily harmed.
    The hell you're not.

    Should be obvious that if everyone's sharing your work for free, you aren't getting paid for it. You're being purposely obtuse because you don't want to come out and admit that.



    Why do you guys keep assuming I want free stuff?
    Probably because you've said so on more than one occasion.

    Oh, sure; you might be willing to pay if you like it after you get it (how magnanimous). But if not, you won't.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah, like you had any idea before reading Wikipedia tonight.

    Adverse possession is hard, and any of a dozen things can derail it along the way. And it's purposely so, because property is property.
    More character assassination, why?
    Can you not debate me without deceptively insulting me?

    Makes your position look very weak.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, well, then I misspoke; you simply have no idea what I said.
    People can acquire the property of another, without having to hunt down the owner, through both abandonment and adverse possession.
    It addresses the point you made.

    IP for some moronic reason, is excluded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, that's not what I asked you for.
    You asked for something very specific, which I'm not going to bother to find.
    Primarily because it requires more work than I want to do and I still wouldn't advance my position with you, if I did find it.
    You don't care and aren't willing to moderate your position.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Too bad, so sad. Guess they're just not going to be used.

    But hatuey's likely right; you don't even actually care about this anyway . . .
    Your first mistake is listening to him.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The hell you're not.

    Should be obvious that if everyone's sharing your work for free, you aren't getting paid for it. You're being purposely obtuse because you don't want to come out and admit that.
    Prove that those people will pay for it, if the "free" weren't available



    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Probably because you've said so on more than one occasion.

    Oh, sure; you might be willing to pay if you like it after you get it (how magnanimous). But if not, you won't.
    I've downloaded things I've wanted to try, before I buy and the producer lost, not one cent.

    What your saying is that you want an unbalanced market to benefit you, at the expense of an ignorant consumer?
    Is that right?

    Also, I did not download Skyrim, before I purchased it.
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