View Poll Results: How long should a copyright last before the I.P. becomes public domain?

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  • There should be no such thing as a copyright.

    6 5.71%
  • 1-20 years after intellectual property is created

    19 18.10%
  • 21-40 years after intellectual property is created

    2 1.90%
  • 41-60 years after intellectual property is created

    1 0.95%
  • The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive

    24 22.86%
  • 1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    14 13.33%
  • 21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • 41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)

    20 19.05%
  • other idea or I do not know(please specify)

    13 12.38%
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sure. Why not?



    Why the **** not? This is of course excepting rare cases for diseases which are in what could be considered "global scale" forms like AIDS or cancer. It would also involve things like the common cold where it's simply impractical to try and exercise patent laws. However if you invent a cure for the mumps or shingles, why the hell shouldn't you and your descendents be paid for use of the IP involved as long as you can lay reasonable claim to it? I'm not saying some cousin 4 times removed should get to claim it if you have no descendents, but I don't believe Jerry Whomever should get to reap the profits of your work if you or your direct kinship have something to say about it.
    At least your are consistent in this matter. I have mixed feelings on this issue.Part of me says the copyright or patent should last as long as the person who created it is still alive I do not believe people who had nothing to do with your work should be able to profit from it just because they are related to you. But copyrights and patents lasted until the creator died then there would be no generics and if there are generics it would be more costly.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why should artwork be treated different than an invention?
    Well because things like a painting or a song are not generally of any useful purpose. While an invention may help society in great ways.

    Let me point out that I have band and I am also an artist. And as unlikely as this sounds I am also an inventor. Artwork itself has many variables to consider. If I make a piece of artwork and sell it to an individual they own the piece but do they have the right to reproduce it? On the other hand if I invent something and that invention in part can be used to invent something even better should it be stopped because I want my cut? And those are just some of the basic problems.

    But as an artist i think that if I own and never sell my artwork to someone else that would own the rights that I would no longer own, that I should be able to own the rights to my work forever. Not just an certain amount of time.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I disagree. I think the overwhelming majority people who are opposed to IP laws in their present form are simply trying to get **** for free and have ZERO interest in using IP to create their own original works. Case in point: Harry Guerrilla and pretty much everyone I've ever encountered on this forum against IP laws. They are people who don't really have their own livelihood threatened by punkass 16 year old kids who just want to get the works of others for free. This allows them to "support" movements like those of Anonymous when the government shuts down entities like Limewire. It's no skin off their backs so why shouldn't they be allowed to steal?
    Again, you ignore all my points of reference and create a straw man.
    Seems to be a reoccurring problem with you.

    Anything I could bring up, that would show I too have used art to make a living, would be quickly dismissed by you.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Whoa, those are really long options in the poll. I would go with 1 year.
    So if I write a book, I should only get paid for its sales in the first year? By the time it's ready for a paperback release, the publishing company should be able to sell it without paying me?

    I'm sorry, but that's completely ****ing ridiculous. I believe we need reforms of our copyright laws, but we do need to maintain some kind of copyright protection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I disagree. I think the overwhelming majority people who are opposed to IP laws in their present form are simply trying to get **** for free and have ZERO interest in using IP to create their own original works. Case in point: Harry Guerrilla and pretty much everyone I've ever encountered on this forum against IP laws. They are people who don't really have their own livelihood threatened by punkass 16 year old kids who just want to get the works of others for free. This allows them to "support" movements like those of Anonymous when the government shuts down entities like Limewire. It's no skin off their backs so why shouldn't they be allowed to steal?
    At the same time, copyrighted works must enter the public domain at some point or else we would still be paying royalties on every dose of penicillin and every performance of Shakespeare. I already believe that author's life plus 70 years is far too much-- and as soon as Mickey Mouse threatens to enter the public domain, we can expect another increase. It's getting ridiculous. Copyright laws exist to promote culture, not stifle it.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    At the same time, copyrighted works must enter the public domain at some point or else we would still be paying royalties on every dose of penicillin and every performance of Shakespeare. I already believe that author's life plus 70 years is far too much-- and as soon as Mickey Mouse threatens to enter the public domain, we can expect another increase. It's getting ridiculous. Copyright laws exist to promote culture, not stifle it.
    Precisely, it's nothing but a form of rent seeking, in it's current form.
    Where the "creators" get to exclude competition and derive a profit, with no further economic benefit to the consumers.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Most folks here already know where I stand, but I'll restate. IP copyrights should extend the life of the author or creator, plus 50 years. Some of my novels that were sold 20 years ago are still bringing me revenue. They'll be bringing in revenue after I die, and that is part of my estate, the legacy I leave to my family. To those who believe that people who create novels, works of art, movies, games, etc., should simply let everyone on the planet have it for free within a few years, I say that's just greed talking, the greed of wanting for free or wanting to profit off what other people have created.

    That's my position, it will always be my position, so I'm not going to make the mistake of trying to defend my position, which is based on copyright law over the 15+ years that my novels were written. I'll just get upset, so take this for whatever it's worth, and know that ha-ha, my family will continue to receive any revenue generated by my work for 50 years after my death whether y'all like it or not.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    If I were to draw a line, I think I would have to say either for the duration of the author's life or twenty-five years from first publication, whichever is later. Corporate works would be protected for twenty-five years. And I don't believe that there should be criminal or civil penalties for non-commercial infringement.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    If I were to draw a line, I think I would have to say either for the duration of the author's life or twenty-five years from first publication, whichever is later. Corporate works would be protected for twenty-five years. And I don't believe that there should be criminal or civil penalties for non-commercial infringement.
    I disagree with the duration, but at least you're reasonable enough to see, that there is a gross discrepancy with the current law.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Typically 7 years.
    And a ton of other requirements.


    You're still trespassing, before adverse possession takes place.
    So? Has nothing to do with what I said.


    And . . . where does this show what I asked for?
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I disagree with the duration, but at least you're reasonable enough to see, that there is a gross discrepancy with the current law.
    Let's put the ball back in your court, then. Without long duration copyrights, how do you propose that I make my money from creating intellectual properties, and how should the law protect me?

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