View Poll Results: How long should a copyright last before the I.P. becomes public domain?

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  • There should be no such thing as a copyright.

    6 5.71%
  • 1-20 years after intellectual property is created

    19 18.10%
  • 21-40 years after intellectual property is created

    2 1.90%
  • 41-60 years after intellectual property is created

    1 0.95%
  • The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive

    24 22.86%
  • 1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    14 13.33%
  • 21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • 41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)

    20 19.05%
  • other idea or I do not know(please specify)

    13 12.38%
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The above is just one long run-on sentence with so many ambiguities it's not even worth addressing.
    So.
    It's the truth.

    You talk about how people who don't support current IP terms being those who don't make their living from it.
    I'm just interjecting that a lot who do support are merely being sheep to those that make the most from it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nonsense. It's called a COPYRIGHT - not a COPYPRIVILEDGE. Copyright laws pertain to defense of intellectual property as the right of the author.
    Yea and supporters of the Patriot act are patriots.
    It's a privilege, extended by legislation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Still being dishonest huh Harry? So here let's put our cards on the deck - what is it you downloaded? 40 year old music? 50 year old movies maybe? Maybe you were searching for a e-Book version of Coptic scrolls from Egypt? What was it you were illegally downloading that you couldn't purchase at your local Wal-Mart?
    I haven't downloaded anything recently.
    I don't know what else to tell you.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You really should stop using legal terms you don't really have a grasp of and using Wikipedia as backup.

    Adverse possession takes a LONG time and requires quite a few specific things. It's nothing whatever like mere trespass.


    Of works where the copyright was transferred with no record, the author is dead, and no heirs can be found? Where are these?
    And just to add, we have an inconsistency in the law.

    With physical property, one must exert their ownership over it, to continue to own it.
    With IP, one can abandon it for 20 years, then come back and legally claim ownership.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    IP laws should differ with each industry. But I am leaning towards less than 10 years. IP laws that last lifetimes discourage innovation imo.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As long as my descendents can claim a legitimate/direct line to me ie. children, grandchildren/great grandchildren.
    Fair enough. I think that runs contrary to the intended purpose of copyright law in that it stifles the creation of original works.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Probably at least 50 years from the time of creation from the creator or his family. You create it, you should own it for a good long time.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Fair enough. I think that runs contrary to the intended purpose of copyright law in that it stifles the creation of original works.
    I disagree. I think the overwhelming majority people who are opposed to IP laws in their present form are simply trying to get **** for free and have ZERO interest in using IP to create their own original works. Case in point: Harry Guerrilla and pretty much everyone I've ever encountered on this forum against IP laws. They are people who don't really have their own livelihood threatened by punkass 16 year old kids who just want to get the works of others for free. This allows them to "support" movements like those of Anonymous when the government shuts down entities like Limewire. It's no skin off their backs so why shouldn't they be allowed to steal?
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As long as my descendents can claim a legitimate/direct line to me ie. children, grandchildren/great grandchildren.
    Do you feel that way about patents? If I invent a new mode of transportation or a cure for some disease should my descendants be able to hold a patent as long as they can claim a legitimate line to me?
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Whoa, those are really long options in the poll. I would go with 1 year.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you feel that way about patents?
    Sure. Why not?

    If I invent a new mode of transportation or a cure for some disease should my descendants be able to hold a patent as long as they can claim a legitimate line to me?
    Why the **** not? This is of course excepting rare cases for diseases which are in what could be considered "global scale" forms like AIDS or cancer. It would also involve things like the common cold where it's simply impractical to try and exercise patent laws. However if you invent a cure for the mumps or shingles, why the hell shouldn't you and your descendents be paid for use of the IP involved as long as you can lay reasonable claim to it? I'm not saying some cousin 4 times removed should get to claim it if you have no descendents, but I don't believe Jerry Whomever should get to reap the profits of your work if you or your direct kinship have something to say about it.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So.
    It's the truth.

    You talk about how people who don't support current IP terms being those who don't make their living from it.
    I'm just interjecting that a lot who do support are merely being sheep to those that make the most from it.



    Yea and supporters of the Patriot act are patriots.

    It's a privilege, extended by legislation.



    I haven't downloaded anything recently.
    I don't know what else to tell you.
    just saw that. lol what a title for such an unpatriotic and unAmerican piece of legislation. SOPA is basically just as bad since it is so broad.

    Recently, Pirate's Bay made a statement about SOPA:

    Renowned piracy advocate The Pirate Bay has issued a lengthy statement saying that the proposed SOPA legislation would do nothing to stop it operating.

    “They want to make the internet into a one way pipe, with them at the top, shoving trash through the pipe down to the rest of us obedient consumers,” it reads.

    “The public opinion on this matter is clear. SOPA can't do anything to stop TPB. Worst case we'll change top-level domain from our current .org to one of the hundreds of other names that we already also use. In countries where TPB is blocked, China and Saudi Arabia springs to mind, they block hundreds of our domain names. And did it work? Not really.”

    The somewhat questionable finger of accusation then turns on the rights holders themselves.

    “To fix the ‘problem of piracy’ one should go to the source of the problem. The entertainment industry say they're creating ‘culture’ but what they really do is stuff like selling overpriced plushy dolls and making 11 year old girls become anorexic. Either from working in the factories that creates the dolls for basically no salary or by watching movies and TV shows that make them think that they're fat.”

    It even goes as far as to suggest that the movie industry is underpinned by an inherent hypocrisy as it, itself, was built on ‘piracy’.



    “Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which would ‘do for the eye what the phonograph does for the ear’,” it explains. “He called it the Kinetoscope. Because of Edison’s patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures in the North American east coast.

    “The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call Hollywood. So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: ‘stole’) other people’s creative works, without paying.

    “The reason they are always complaining about ‘pirates’ today is simple. We've done what they did. We circumvented the rules they created and created our own. We crushed their monopoly by giving people something more efficient. We allow people to have direct communication between each other, circumventing the profitable middle man, that in some cases take over 107% of the profits (yes, you pay to work for them).

    “It's all based on the fact that we're competition. We've proven that their existence in their current form is no longer needed. We're just better than they are. And the funny part is that our rules are very similar to the founding ideas of the USA. We fight for freedom of speech.”
    Pirate Bay: SOPA can't stop us | Games industry news | MCV

    Just look at the hypocrisy. Ironically, Hollywood turns to the government to enforce laws that it never bothered to follow at its inception. May Hollywood burn. If it turns into a smoldering pile of ashes, America would lose nothing. Very few movies these days are even worth watching.
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