View Poll Results: How long should a copyright last before the I.P. becomes public domain?

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  • There should be no such thing as a copyright.

    6 5.71%
  • 1-20 years after intellectual property is created

    19 18.10%
  • 21-40 years after intellectual property is created

    2 1.90%
  • 41-60 years after intellectual property is created

    1 0.95%
  • The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive

    24 22.86%
  • 1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    14 13.33%
  • 21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • 41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)

    20 19.05%
  • other idea or I do not know(please specify)

    13 12.38%
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Authorship does not denote ownership.
    IP can be transfer and sold, from the original author to another.
    Yes and what? A lawnmower can be sold, transferred whatever from one neighbor to another. It doesn't mean you get to claim the lawnmower as your own because you live across the street or that you get to claim to have invented the lawnmower.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    People who don't live off their intellectual property debating when they should have the right to appropriate the work of someone else because they don't feel like paying for it.

    Next on MSNBC:

    We ask bank robbers when they should be allowed to break into vaults.

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    The most disingenuous bit here is that the OP is asking people whether "20 years" is enough. As if the overwhelming majority of people are stealing 60 year old music and Jean Claude Van Dame movies from the early 80s.
    The problem here is that:

    Little IP creators who won't likely see anything substantive from their works, live on the hope that they will and want the extended protection based on that hope.

    The big guys, who make most of the money, want to extend ownership as long as possible, regardless of the valued added behavior in relation to the works.

    Some artists suffer from the "special little snowflake" problem.
    They think their profession is more deserving of legal protection because, "art" is "special."
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    I like the way things work now. Life of the creator + 70 with option to renew, if the family/company is stupid enough to let a core technology or piece of work lapse they don't deserve the residuals.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Can you not register the work, after you find someone infringing and then sue for infringement?
    In some cases. Different issue.


    Authorship does not denote ownership.
    IP can be transfer and sold, from the original author to another.
    And then the author can tell you who he sold it to.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes and what? A lawnmower can be sold, transferred whatever from one neighbor to another. It doesn't mean you get to claim the lawnmower as your own because you live across the street or that you get to claim to have invented the lawnmower.
    We aren't talking about lawnmowers.
    We're talking about orphaned works and how finding the author doesn't necessarily mean we find the owner of the copy protected work.

    Try to stay on topic.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    So when do you think copyright should expire? Or should copyright survive in perpetuity and original works never enter the public domain?
    As long as my descendents can claim a legitimate/direct line to me ie. children, grandchildren/great grandchildren.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    In some cases. Different issue.
    Wrong.
    If the owner can not be identified but can still sue, with registration, after the fact, that still means we have a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And then the author can tell you who he sold it to.
    And if he or she is dead and has no easily identifiable heirs?
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Wrong.
    If the owner can not be identified but can still sue, with registration, after the fact, that still means we have a problem.



    And if he or she is dead and has no easily identifiable heirs?
    I think there needs to be a legal "best effort" to identify patent/copywrite owners and if documentation proves it's not possible to do so then that should be an exception allowing for public use.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think there needs to be a legal "best effort" to identify patent/copywrite owners and if documentation proves it's not possible to do so then that should be an exception allowing for public use.
    It should be an affirmative defense in court, that nullifies the legal damages, which are substantial.
    I think it's $150k per infringing incident.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    We aren't talking about lawnmowers.
    We're talking about orphaned works and how finding the author doesn't necessarily mean we find the owner of the copy protected work.
    Try to stay on topic.
    I poked a giant hole in your supposed argument about IP and you revert to your usual nonsensical defense of IP theft. Here I'll make it easier for you sweetie since you're adamant about debating copyright. "Orphaned" works, whatever the hell that means, don't fall under the same guidelines of the modern IP debate. Some vase made 1600 years ago, or some folklore story told by the Roma from Bulgaria doesn't fall under what the copyright argument consists of. What the IP debate is about, is your ridiculous defense of stealing that which you haven't put a single hour of effort into and enjoying it because you don't feel like paying for. Your defense of that act and the arguments you use to defend it is about as valid as taking the thief's argument for why he stole a wallet as a serious point of discussion.
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