View Poll Results: How long should a copyright last before the I.P. becomes public domain?

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  • There should be no such thing as a copyright.

    6 5.71%
  • 1-20 years after intellectual property is created

    19 18.10%
  • 21-40 years after intellectual property is created

    2 1.90%
  • 41-60 years after intellectual property is created

    1 0.95%
  • The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive

    24 22.86%
  • 1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    14 13.33%
  • 21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • 41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)

    20 19.05%
  • other idea or I do not know(please specify)

    13 12.38%
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anytime the issue of online piracy comes up so does the issue of copyrights.So I decided to make a poll.

    How long should a copyright last on I.P.before it becomes public domain?

    There should be no such thing as a copyright.
    1-20 years after intellectual property is created
    21-40 years after intellectual property is created
    41-60 years after intellectual property is created
    The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive
    1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died
    21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died
    41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died
    The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)
    other/I do not know
    This is a good question, and I think that anyone who favors either extreme (i.e. no copyrights at all or eternal copyrights) is simply being impractical.

    In my view, the length of intellectual property should be proportional to the public necessity for it to be in the public domain. So I'm OK with certain things (e.g. novels or songs or cartoon characters) having copyrights that last the entire lifetime of the creator, but no more. For other types of intellectual property (e.g. medical patents) the window of time should be much shorter because there is a major public interest in getting those products into the public domain. For example, I think medical patents typically last 11-14 years, which sounds about right to me.

    The really ridiculous IP laws are the copyright laws that last for decades after the creator has died. These are wholly the invention of rent-seeking lobbyists, and do not benefit the public interest in any way whatsoever. Walt Disney's grandkids didn't do a damn thing to earn the rights to Mickey Mouse, and they're already plenty rich without continuing to earn royalties every year.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Let's say I create the cotton gin. Manufacture it and sell you one of these cotton gins. Do you have the perpetual right sell this cotton gin and or pass pas it down to your family?

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is a good question, and I think that anyone who favors either extreme (i.e. no copyrights at all or eternal copyrights) is simply being impractical.
    I would also think the other extreme would be for perpetual copyrights or unlimited copyright.

    In my view, the length of intellectual property should be proportional to the public necessity for it to be in the public domain. So I'm OK with certain things (e.g. novels or songs or cartoon characters) having copyrights that last the entire lifetime of the creator, but no more. For other types of intellectual property (e.g. medical patents) the window of time should be much shorter because there is a major public interest in getting those products into the public domain. For example, I think medical patents typically last 11-14 years, which sounds about right to me.
    So the consensus among different people seems to be that the more valuable or useful something is the less time a copyright should last,but if its not that valuable(art,animation,songs, novels and other literary works and etc) then the copyright should last a long time. Seems kind of warped or backwards.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So the consensus among different people seems to be that the more valuable or useful something is the less time a copyright should last,but if its not that valuable(art,animation,songs, novels and other literary works and etc) then the copyright should last a long time. Seems kind of warped or backwards.
    I don't think so; if it's something very useful, you want to get it into the public domain as quickly as possible so that more people can make use of it (while allowing a long enough patent so that the creator can make a profit from creating such a useful invention). For example, 11-14 years is a good length of time for medical patents because it encourages continuous innovation while also allowing people access to cheap generic drugs relatively quickly. If the patents lasted much longer than that, there would be less of an incentive to innovate for fear of cannibalizing existing drug sales. If the patents lasted for shorter than that, there would also be less of an incentive to innovate because it would be harder to recover the R&D costs and turn a profit. Furthermore, it forces people to buy drugs from the creator for a while to help them recoup their costs...but not such a long period of time that the drugs remain unaffordable and lots of people die. 11-14 years strikes a pretty good balance IMO.

    Compare that with, say, a novel. IMO it's less important that a novel's copyright expire relatively quickly. No one "needs" to read the novel, so it isn't as important to have it in the public domain. I'm OK with it lasting the entire lifetime of the creator; let them enjoy the fruits of their labor. I do not think that it should normally pass on to their descendants though; they didn't do anything to earn it. Disney Corporation has been notorious for lobbying Congress to extend copyright laws so that their earliest works don't expire. This behavior is pure rent-seeking and doesn't actually advance the public good in any way.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Let's say I create the cotton gin. Manufacture it and sell you one of these cotton gins. Do you have the perpetual right sell this cotton gin and or pass pas it down to your family?
    The question is, how long after inventing the cotton gin should you have the sole exclusive right to build and sell cotton gins, before other people are allowed to do so?

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