View Poll Results: How long should a copyright last before the I.P. becomes public domain?

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  • There should be no such thing as a copyright.

    6 5.71%
  • 1-20 years after intellectual property is created

    19 18.10%
  • 21-40 years after intellectual property is created

    2 1.90%
  • 41-60 years after intellectual property is created

    1 0.95%
  • The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive

    24 22.86%
  • 1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    14 13.33%
  • 21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • 41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)

    20 19.05%
  • other idea or I do not know(please specify)

    13 12.38%
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Because your child should have to earn his own living.
    Sounds like you'll be one of those old folks with a million dollar motorhome with a bumpersticker reading "I'm spending my children's inheritance" - calculating how to spend down to your last dollar on yourself.

    That is your logic anyway. If a person's own children shouldn't receive their parents' inheritance, certainly everyone else should earn their own way and no one directly or indirectly through the government should get it either.

    "Everyone should earn their own way," very extra conservative of you. Shut all social programs down!!! Do or die!!!

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    At any rate who are you to tell another human being what to do?
    Who are you? Copyright laws are a restriction on liberty; they legally define imaginary objects as property in order to restrict what private citizens do with their own tangible property. They are absolutely necessary, and I support them, but you're on the wrong goddamned side of the argument to be using libertarian logic.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Who are you? Copyright laws are a restriction on liberty; they legally define imaginary objects as property in order to restrict what private citizens do with their own tangible property. They are absolutely necessary, and I support them, but you're on the wrong goddamned side of the argument to be using libertarian logic.
    How does one spend years of their life working on imaginary objects? And how does something imaginary affect tangible property?

    Copywrites have their place. Think about this; do we need a better Mickey Mouse? Or do we need a new and improved Rembrandt painting? There is absolutely no integrity in copying artwork. Even artwork that is now in public domain. Hollywood remakes classic stories and butchers them all to hell.

    But I also make wood carving tools some pretty specialized that I sell to other wood carvers. Anyone is free to copy them if they like. I have even emailed people that requested the specs.

    My point is that there are situations where it is justified to protect ones intrests. Assigning a universal philosophy that says that X amount of time is the maximum that these protections can exist is just naive and ignores reality. The reality is that not everyone is out to screw everyone; and not everyone is honest. Intellectual property laws are just regulations that protect individual liberty so that other individuals or collectives do not take advantage of another persons liberty (and in some cases collectives but there is some controversy in that fact and it really has nothing to do with me personally).

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    How does one spend years of their life working on imaginary objects? And how does something imaginary affect tangible property?
    Only by the intervention of the law, which is what I just said.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Copywrites have their place.
    I absolutely agree. Copyrights and copyright law serve a vital function in society.

    But so do the limitations on copyright. And that's what we are discussing here-- whether the best interests of society, both in encouraging the creation of intellectual property and in making use of it, would be better served by more copyright restrictions or less. I'm arguing in favor of less, but I can't stand with the people that are arguing for none at all, anymore than I can stand with the people that are arguing for more restrictions.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Sounds like you'll be one of those old folks with a million dollar motorhome with a bumpersticker reading "I'm spending my children's inheritance" - calculating how to spend down to your last dollar on yourself.

    That is your logic anyway. If a person's own children shouldn't receive their parents' inheritance, certainly everyone else should earn their own way and no one directly or indirectly through the government should get it either.

    "Everyone should earn their own way," very extra conservative of you. Shut all social programs down!!! Do or die!!!
    At least come up with a cohesive response instead of this babble. This debate isn't about inheritance taxes, welfare, or anything else other than Intellectual property laws. Please get back to me when you can respond with something relevant.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Just because they may get the benefits of my work does not mean that they will not work.

    At any rate who are you to tell another human being what to do? That is exactly what you are doing, for some reason you feel its unfair that someone else Had a family member that did more than just clock in and be someones wage slave. Guess what right now its a free country and you could earn some royalties yourself. But even then your kids are not guaranteed to never have to work.
    Your entire assertion is naive at best. Somethings just don't sell themselves. And someone at anytime mat make something that makes your product obsolete. Its a rare case that I single copywrite will continue to make lots of money. Many successful people have hundreds of copywrites that cost them thousands of dollars to get. Yet maybe one or two has any value.

    Here is a little reality while yes some rich people exploit Intellectual property, It is the small guy (or small gal) that Intellectual property protections help out. You act as if everyone is evil greedy bastards and need to be kept from be greedy. Just hedge a little more of that liberty away until we are all wage slaves.
    I'm not sure how people will become "wage slaves" simply because lifetime IP is reduced to something more reasonable.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    The one thing Sonny Bono did right was to lengthen copyrights. Granted, he was trying to protect his "I Got You Babe" money.

    Quick question. Whenever somebody says to raise taxes on rich folks, it's jealousy over their success. Of those arguing for really low numbers, how much intellectual property do you have?


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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Because your child should have to earn his own living.
    So you think every time, say, a Kennedy, a Rockafeller, Bill Gates or any other rich dude on the planet dies, all of his money should be confiscated and given to the government, so his children will be left penniless? Does that go for everyone else as well? A man puts away money for his kids' college, but dies before they go to college so swooop!... the government leaps in and takes the man's assets, leaving his family penniless? Really?

    You clearly haven't thought this out. Everyone in this country has a right to work hard, earn money, create a business that generates income, and have the right to dictate who will inherit what he leaves when he dies. Everyone. ...except authors, artists and others, who do NOT have the right to the fruits of their work, which instead should be stolen by the government and given away free so that strangers can profit from it.

    Can you not see the dichotomy here?

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    So you think every time, say, a Kennedy, a Rockafeller, Bill Gates or any other rich dude on the planet dies, all of his money should be confiscated and given to the government, so his children will be left penniless? Does that go for everyone else as well? A man puts away money for his kids' college, but dies before they go to college so swooop!... the government leaps in and takes the man's assets, leaving his family penniless? Really?

    You clearly haven't thought this out. Everyone in this country has a right to work hard, earn money, create a business that generates income, and have the right to dictate who will inherit what he leaves when he dies. Everyone. ...except authors, artists and others, who do NOT have the right to the fruits of their work, which instead should be stolen by the government and given away free so that strangers can profit from it.

    Can you not see the dichotomy here?
    Wrong. Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't mean I haven't "thought it out." I have. And no, I never claimed that the government should confiscate anything. Where are people getting this? All I have said thus far is that Intellectual property rights should be limited, and the time span varies, but 10 years is average.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    All I have said thus far is that Intellectual property rights should be limited, and the time span varies, but 10 years is average.
    Average for what? All of the multilateral copyright agreements have the author's lifetime plus fifty years as a statutory minimum-- and between them, they cover almost all of the countries on Earth.

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