View Poll Results: How long should a copyright last before the I.P. becomes public domain?

Voters
105. You may not vote on this poll
  • There should be no such thing as a copyright.

    6 5.71%
  • 1-20 years after intellectual property is created

    19 18.10%
  • 21-40 years after intellectual property is created

    2 1.90%
  • 41-60 years after intellectual property is created

    1 0.95%
  • The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive

    24 22.86%
  • 1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    14 13.33%
  • 21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • 41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)

    20 19.05%
  • other idea or I do not know(please specify)

    13 12.38%
Page 16 of 20 FirstFirst ... 61415161718 ... LastLast
Results 151 to 160 of 195

Thread: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

  1. #151
    Anti political parties
    FreedomFromAll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    New Mexico USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,062

    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its your choice. Thankfully, western civilization can probably live without your wood carvings. Not to mention that nobody cares enough to copy your designs anyways.
    Yea that was helpful. Are you psychic or something?

    You don't understand what you are talking about. Copyright exists to serve society. The government temporarily restricts the natural rights of everyone to distribute works as they by granting a monopoly on distribution on a specific work. The financial incentive from that monopoly promotes the creation of new works. Copyright expires, the work then enters the public domain and society is enriched by having access to new creative works. Copyright, like all government granted monopolies, is simply a practical requirement not granted because you are special snowflake who is morally entitled to it.
    I am not a fan of the moral police thank you. Morality isnt even the right concept, the right term is liberty. It is my liberty to own what I create.


    Copyright exists to allow an author to make a living writing books rather waiting tables, or recoup production costs on a film. You don't need 120 year copyrights to make a living being an artist, its simply a way for heirs or corporations get money without doing any work by getting a government handout.
    So somehow my wood carvings are going to make corporation take government handouts? Arent you jumping to conclusions there just a little? And why exactly should my child be deprived the benefits of my life long work? Seems a little selfish on your part to steal my families inheritance just because you are jealous that I did something with my life and you did not. And where does this ultra fair philosophy of your stop? Will you be calling me immoral because I do not share my earnings with everyone? Which isnt true since I pay tax's.

  2. #152
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yes they should be prevented from using my design without asking for permission. My work is a part of my identity I put my personal touch on my products. Someone taking my decisions to me is not much different then someone taking my name, that is why my style is my signature. No one else carves in the exact way that I do. In order for someone to take my design they have to steal my signature and my identity as a carver with it.
    So someone making your design better shouldn't be allowed to?
    How does that help society at all.

    It totally contradicts the purpose of IP law.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Void now thats an interesting choice of words. I did not draw from anyone elses designs, all my designs were thought of by me alone.
    Yes, did your ideas come from a void?
    We all know your answer is not true.

    Wood carvings are one of the first art designs, ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Well that is your opinion and that is all that it is. My designs are my own, no one thought them up but me.
    They were certainly inspired/influenced by something/someone else.
    Whether it be nature or another's work.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Anyways you are cherry picking trying to apply a universal philosophy to a world that is anything but universal. The part of the equation that you are leaving out is liberty. It is my liberty to own what I create. Which is a major factor in the liberty that this nation was built on.
    You can only own an idea, if you never tell it.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  3. #153
    Anti political parties
    FreedomFromAll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    New Mexico USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,062

    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Don't be ridiculous. Every last thing you have ever designed was influenced by the works of artists that came before you.

    Hell, how would you even build your designs if not for tools that others designed before you? Shouldn't you be paying them?
    That is a weak argument. I make all of my knifes and chisels. Some of which were designed for a small piece of one carving I literary have hundreds of knives. And the tools that I bought I only own the tool not the design to the tool. I dont need to buy a copywrite to use a tool. Is that what you think, that we have to buy the rights to every tool that we buy? Tool manufactures are business to make and sell tools not horde them. Which is the something that I do with my carvings. I sell my carvings but not the rights to the designs. But I have sold artwork to post card companies and sold the designs to them outright. They own the designs and can reproduce them at will. I get no royalties from them.

  4. #154
    Anti political parties
    FreedomFromAll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    New Mexico USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,062

    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So someone making your design better shouldn't be allowed to?
    How does that help society at all.

    It totally contradicts the purpose of IP law
    From an artists point of view you are not making sense. None of my artwork realy is of any help to society. Yea they look cool and I take pride in my work. But the reality is that none of it is of any real use. It just sites there and takes up space.



    Yes, did your ideas come from a void?
    We all know your answer is not true.

    Wood carvings are one of the first art designs, ever.
    I already said that your choice of the word void was begging the question. I thought for sure you would have figured that out.

    Wood carving was a bit behind scraping designs on rocks.



    They were certainly inspired/influenced by something/someone else.
    Whether it be nature or another's work.



    You can only own an idea, if you never tell it.
    Again you are jumping to conclusions based on an obvious nativity of the arts.

  5. #155
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    From an artists point of view you are not making sense. None of my artwork realy is of any help to society. Yea they look cool and I take pride in my work. But the reality is that none of it is of any real use. It just sites there and takes up space.
    So if your art is so worthless, why does it need to be protected so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I already said that your choice of the word void was begging the question. I thought for sure you would have figured that out.

    Wood carving was a bit behind scraping designs on rocks.
    Where else would you draw your ideas from?
    Your mind, while likely full of imagination and wonder, cannot be the sole wellspring, for all your inspiration.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Again you are jumping to conclusions based on an obvious nativity of the arts.
    I finally "got" art in college.
    I enjoy some of it, although I do think some artists are a bit "special little snowflakish."
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  6. #156
    Count Smackula
    rathi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    10-31-15 @ 10:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,890

    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    I am not a fan of the moral police thank you. Morality isnt even the right concept, the right term is liberty. It is my liberty to own what I create.
    Your idea of "liberty" involves getting the government to prosecute everyone who exercises their natural right to share ideas?

    So somehow my wood carvings are going to make corporation take government handouts? Arent you jumping to conclusions there just a little?
    120 year long copyrights are definitely being used by corporations to get handouts.

    And why exactly should my child be deprived the benefits of my life long work? Seems a little selfish on your part to steal my families inheritance just because you are jealous that I did something with my life and you did not. And where does this ultra fair philosophy of your stop? Will you be calling me immoral because I do not share my earnings with everyone? Which isnt true since I pay tax's.
    You aren't being deprived of anything. You are more than welcome to save the cash from selling your carvings and then gift to your child, just like everyone else. Regular Americans work their entire lives and don't get to give their kids an eternal government handout and neither should you.

  7. #157
    Anti political parties
    FreedomFromAll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    New Mexico USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,062

    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Your idea of "liberty" involves getting the government to prosecute everyone who exercises their natural right to share ideas?
    Your argument is out of context. As I pointed out my carvings are of little societal consequence. No one will be out of something for not being able to steal my designs.



    120 year long copyrights are definitely being used by corporations to get handouts.
    Thas great but what does it have to do with my carvings?


    You aren't being deprived of anything. You are more than welcome to save the cash from selling your carvings and then gift to your child, just like everyone else. Regular Americans work their entire lives and don't get to give their kids an eternal government handout and neither should you.
    That is a straw man argument and constructed from an ideological standpoint that I do not subscribe too. So your appeal to morality only works for the believers of which I am not.

    Royalties are payment for work that an individual or a group have done. Those royalties are limited by the popularity of the work done. No one is guaranteed that a copywrite will eventually pay them anything. So your one size fits all argument has a lot of holes in it.

  8. #158
    Anti political parties
    FreedomFromAll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    New Mexico USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,062

    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So if your art is so worthless, why does it need to be protected so much?
    My worthless art does not affect you.



    Where else would you draw your ideas from?
    Your mind, while likely full of imagination and wonder, cannot be the sole wellspring, for all your inspiration.
    Your arguing that if a person was inspired by an idea that was not solely theirs then that means nothing is theirs? I am an individual and my thoughts are individual thoughts. My lifes observations come out in a personally muted fashion. What influences are in my works? What influences are in any masters style? And yes I just asserted that I am an master wood carver.



    I finally "got" art in college.
    I enjoy some of it, although I do think some artists are a bit "special little snowflakish."
    Your implications are ad hominem and pointless. There are flakes in all walks of life. Unless you are calling me a flake, I can see no other point in your observation and what it has to do with intellectual property..

  9. #159
    Civil Libertarian
    DashingAmerican's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    08-31-17 @ 05:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,357

    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why can't you judge the latter?
    If someone thinks it's better, then it is, at least to them..
    Because books and art and such is opinion based, whereas you can scientifically prove that a gun shoots better and is more accurate or more durable and that medicine treats better.
    If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

  10. #160
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Last Seen
    09-24-17 @ 04:38 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    29,261

    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Because books and art and such is opinion based, whereas you can scientifically prove that a gun shoots better and is more accurate or more durable and that medicine treats better.
    Oh I've seen people argue various opinions on weapons right here on this board.


    And art can be quantified in various similar ways. Advertising art for example.

Page 16 of 20 FirstFirst ... 61415161718 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •