View Poll Results: How long should a copyright last before the I.P. becomes public domain?

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  • There should be no such thing as a copyright.

    6 5.71%
  • 1-20 years after intellectual property is created

    19 18.10%
  • 21-40 years after intellectual property is created

    2 1.90%
  • 41-60 years after intellectual property is created

    1 0.95%
  • The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive

    24 22.86%
  • 1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    14 13.33%
  • 21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • 41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)

    20 19.05%
  • other idea or I do not know(please specify)

    13 12.38%
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    But I still maintain that distribution for free is functionally the same as public domain.
    It really, really isn't. Public domain means that you have the ability to do anything you want with the material-- including reprinting it, in its entirety, and selling it at whatever price you choose. That's what copyright laws were written for, because the idea of unlimited free replication was unthinkable at the time, and that's where authors need real protection. Even internet piracy is a strictly small scale operation because there's very little profit in it; the real threat to profits comes from the black market and counterfeit goods.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    It really, really isn't. Public domain means that you have the ability to do anything you want with the material-- including reprinting it, in its entirety, and selling it at whatever price you choose. That's what copyright laws were written for, because the idea of unlimited free replication was unthinkable at the time, and that's where authors need real protection. Even internet piracy is a strictly small scale operation because there's very little profit in it; the real threat to profits comes from the black market and counterfeit goods.
    I know it's not exactly the same, but it's commercially the same.

    And I would definitely expect there to be little profit in piracy, because as I said -- people don't pay for what they can get for free.

    But there's no reason to go around that carousel again, I suppose.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Less than 20 years. Copyright should not be an excuse to stop working, just because you have one really good idea. You should have the potential to profit from your ideas, but not for a long period of time. You have to keep thinking and coming up with new ideas.
    This is my opinion exactly. Except ten years seems more reasonable.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    This is my opinion exactly. Except ten years seems more reasonable.
    I would accept ten years as a time limit for non-commercial use. For commercial use, that's just not enough.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You mean like people borrow books from the library? Or rent DVDs? Publishers have tried to stop that, too. Doesn't make them any less of a public service.
    Just a point of information here. I am unaware of any publishers that have tried to stop libraries from carrying books, although there may have been an obscure case here or there. Most publishers donate a large number of new books to libraries. Each of my contracts contained language about the number of new books that would be available to donate to libraries. Neither authors nor publishers make any money off of new books donated to libraries.

    However, libraries also draw from used book resources. They buy used books; they sell used books. Authors and publishers don't make any money off of used books, either. The only people making money off a used book are the people selling them.

    I just didn't want the misconception lingering out there that authors and publishers are trying to shut down libraries. On the contrary, we give up our own profits to donate to libraries. Okay, that is all.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    5 years with the option to renew for up to 50 years in 5 year increments. Also, no royalties to be paid for non-commercial use (like at weddings, musical background on personal videos, etc.)

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    This is my opinion exactly. Except ten years seems more reasonable.
    I said less than 20 years, responding to Harry. 10-15 years might be a good limit.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Just a point of information here. I am unaware of any publishers that have tried to stop libraries from carrying books, although there may have been an obscure case here or there.
    Happened once with the Harry Potter series. There wasn't any legal action, but the publisher did attempt to ask some libraries not to stock the book for a period of time after its release-- the response was less than positive and the matter was dropped. I actually have no problem with asking libraries to wait before lending out books expected to sell massively, but that takes us back to the point we're talking about: libraries and used booksellers allow people to read anything they want without the authors seeing a dime of it, but people with library cards and who buy all of their books used aren't the targets of massive propaganda campaigns.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I would accept ten years as a time limit for non-commercial use. For commercial use, that's just not enough.
    It largely depends on the industry in question. If said industry invested larger sums of money in the process of creating their product, I can see extending IP for another five years give or take. I know the medical industry would qualify for more time.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    If I spend 20 years inventing something why should I not expect to be rewarded for it through ownership of the intellectual property that I invented? How much is 20 years of a persons life worth? Royalties are compensation for work, it is not free money. And some corporations have spent millions or even billions developing a product why should someone have the right to just take all that investment away just because someone thinks there should be a time limit on that investment?

    If I carve (Im a wood carver) a piece and do not sell it, and put it on display as my trademark piece, why should I ever have to give up my creation? It was me who designed and carved the piece, I figured out a complex 3d design, why cant I own that particular design forever? Why should someone else have the right to take my design for their own profit, when they did not do any of the design work? In my world I call that stealing.

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