View Poll Results: How long should a copyright last before the I.P. becomes public domain?

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  • There should be no such thing as a copyright.

    6 5.71%
  • 1-20 years after intellectual property is created

    19 18.10%
  • 21-40 years after intellectual property is created

    2 1.90%
  • 41-60 years after intellectual property is created

    1 0.95%
  • The copyright should last as long as the creator of the intellectual property is still alive

    24 22.86%
  • 1-20 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    14 13.33%
  • 21-40 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • 41-60 after the original creator of the intellectual property has died

    3 2.86%
  • The copyright on the intellectual property should last forever (a perpetual copyright.)

    20 19.05%
  • other idea or I do not know(please specify)

    13 12.38%
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    This depends on the invented object, and its value to mankind....
    IMO, most music is trash , so one day !
    But a Saab repair manual - 10 years at least..
    A cure for the common cold...priceless....another reason for "socialized " medical care...
    Many good options, Mr Rage.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    There are too many variables to assign a time limit universally.
    Absolutely true..
    Its impossible to assign definite time-limits.
    As I say, most music is trash.
    But one man's trash is another's treasure
    Maybe one year on all music, good or bad..
    The man behind this intellectual property must have a say, a voice and a vote.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    One year is not nearly sufficient. How do you propose for a musician to make money, if everything he produces becomes public domain in a single year?

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I get it, you refuse to acknowledge the difference.
    There isn't one. You want free stuff. You want a free trial whether or not the publisher wants you to have one, and you think you're entitled to it.

    You can try to spin it in any "noble" way you want, but that's what you want.

    And, you want to make it legal for everyone who pirates and distributes for free to do so, on the childish theory that they'd never pay for it anyway. Well, if they wouldn't, then they don't deserve to have it. Period.

    (But no, it's not about getting free stuff.)
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    One year is not nearly sufficient. How do you propose for a musician to make money, if everything he produces becomes public domain in a single year?
    Or any film? This will be the death of anything other than navel-gazing laments about people's failed relationships, which take place in only one room. The film equivalent of bad high school poetry.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There isn't one. You want free stuff. You want a free trial whether or not the publisher wants you to have one, and you think you're entitled to it.
    [citation needed]

    You can spin it as much as you want, but unless you actually have proof of it, you're not making a point - you're attempting to deflect the issue and put words in other's mouthes.

    I do agree - 1 year IS too short. I think something closer to what the original U.S laws were PLUS an option to extend the rights to individual works in some manner [in a limited fashion, of course, and on a per-work basis] would be a good start.

    People are logically, reasonably opposed to how the system works now, have legitimate beefs, and legitimate ideas about how to change it. The fact that some of you can't see that, and insist on painting anybody opposed to SOPA, or anyone who wants the system revised as proponents of piracy when in fact that is unsubstantiated is amazing, and makes debating the issue impossible.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Like Temporal, I am far more concerned about the implementation. But that's for another thread.

    Copyright tries to ensure the creator has some means of getting paid, and choosing the presentation of the work. If we are assuming that the implementation of this is reasonable, I think it should last for the life of the creator. Not a day more, not a day less.
    Wouldn't a copyright, or a patent, lasting for the life of the creator seriously limit the market for the product, since there is no guarantee that the rights would last past today.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Less than 10 years.
    There is no reason why a patent generally gets 20 years or less and other forms of IP get life + 70 years.
    That's an 'improvement'/Change for your position of several months ago which was NO protection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060132939

    Some here like to distort my opinion on the subject, but I too think that someone is entitled to compensation for their work, whether it IP or other.
    The problem I have is that the law gives more privileged benefits to IP producers, than is necessary.
    People "Distort" your position?
    You mean you BLATANTLY LIE about your position.
    Let's look at another of your posts/several posts on this position:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/histor...post1059805506

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig
    One is entitled to Some exclusivity, Obviously.
    AGAIN, otherwise there is no incentive to do years of research and spend Billions of dollars on Cancer or Diabetes drugs that could then just be copied in a week. To name just one of many, many, examples.
    Again, it's a necessary pillar of a capitalist system. To even have to debate this is Ridiculous.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerilla
    They have the benefit of first to market.
    No other exclusivity is necessary.

    Copied in a week?
    Have you ever reverse engineered a drug or do you have such an intimate knowledge of it, to make such a statement?
    I seriously question your qualifications in this area.
    Quote Originally Posted by mbig
    This is another Disngenuous and Pathetic Response.
    "A week" IS possible with some things in some cases. Software for instance. Even amateurs have 'unlocked' cell phones/Apples codes.
    Months would be tops even for Drug with today's diagnostic tools.
    That hardly compensates for the idea, years, or Billions it takes for the development of things like Cancer, Diabetes, drugs etc.

    To have an ostensibly sensible poster not only hold the idea, but Disingenuously try and defend it with BS is beyond disappointing
    /End http://www.debatepolitics.com/histor...post1059805506
    and please read the rest as well for More of Harry Disingenuous posting.
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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There isn't one. You want free stuff. You want a free trial whether or not the publisher wants you to have one, and you think you're entitled to it.
    You mean like people borrow books from the library? Or rent DVDs? Publishers have tried to stop that, too. Doesn't make them any less of a public service.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And, you want to make it legal for everyone who pirates and distributes for free to do so, on the childish theory that they'd never pay for it anyway. Well, if they wouldn't, then they don't deserve to have it. Period.
    How is it childish to note that only a small minority of illegal downloads are real lost sales and that piracy may, in fact, contribute to legal sales? And if the pirates really wouldn't have paid for it anyway, in what possible fashion has piracy harmed the industry?

    And are you really trying to argue that the only people who should have knowledge and culture are people who can afford whatever price the market demands?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Or any film? This will be the death of anything other than navel-gazing laments about people's failed relationships, which take place in only one room. The film equivalent of bad high school poetry.
    Yes, quite. I may consider free distribution to be a public service, but I acknowledge that without some mechanism for profit, the kind of entertainment (and research) that I enjoy and benefit from immensely would be impossible. People need to understand this.

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    Re: How long should a copyright last before it becomes public domain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    [citation needed]

    You can spin it as much as you want, but unless you actually have proof of it, you're not making a point - you're attempting to deflect the issue and put words in other's mouthes.
    Dude. I have pointed out several times where he's said this. Sure, he understandably doesn't worded that way, but a "customer service professional for McDonald's, Inc." still slings French fries no matter how he wants it to look on a resume. "Spin" is trying to claim he's doing anything other than what I said.

    And you keep saying I'm "deflecting." This is perplexing, as I've "deflected" nothing.
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