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    Re: Best Modern President 1960 -

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is amazing but I partly agree with you minus the things about 1860.

    The last really great president we had was FDR and Truman was very good as well. I would place a tie between Eisenhower and Clinton for the best of the bunch since then but both had glaring weaknesses that hurt the nation - Ike with his timidity about Civil Rights after the Brown decision postponed much of the pain until after he was gone. Clinton signing NAFTA and other deregulatory moves like the repeal of Glass-Steagal which have come back to bite us in the ass bigtime. You cannot judge the current president as the record is not done playing.

    JFK was not in long enough to do much either way.
    LBJ had Viet Nam.
    Nixon continued Viet Nam and then there was that Watergate business which disgraced the office.
    Ford had the disgraceful Nixon pardon.
    Carter was weak and ineffective and the economy tanked.
    Reagan started the love affair with deficits and a thirty year slide in the wrong direction in tax policy.
    The 2 Bushes - the least said the better.

    Just not a great one in the bunch.
    Ford's pardon was both necessary and courageous. Ford knew it would cost him the election and he did it to heal the country. Carter was the worst in terms of efficiency and achievement. LBJ was the worst in terms of what he achieved. Obama is on his way to surpassing Carter as the least efficient and LBJ if his idiotic health care is not stricken by the USSC

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    Sy Sperling. He was also a client.
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    Re: Best Modern President 1960 -

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Ford's pardon was both necessary and courageous. Ford knew it would cost him the election and he did it to heal the country. Carter was the worst in terms of efficiency and achievement. LBJ was the worst in terms of what he achieved. Obama is on his way to surpassing Carter as the least efficient and LBJ if his idiotic health care is not stricken by the USSC
    I strongly suspect - and someday it may come out - that the pardon was a condition of the Nixon resignation and Ford agreed to it going in. It spit in the face of the concept that no man is above the law. I have no problem with Nixon going to trial and a verdict rendered and then a pardon issued if one was needed. But the rule of law needed to run its full completed course and that was aborted by Ford.

    btw - I actually like Ford a great deal. If any member is near Grand Rapids, Michigan - his library and museum is a wonderful place to visit and you walk away with a great respect for the total career of the man. It is well worth a visit.

    Turtle - you and I agree on Carter being a failure. LBJ could have achieved true greatness but was done in by Viet Nam.

    As for Obama, I never decide who wins the game in the third inning.
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    JFK didn't have time to do anything, but the US National currency might have prevented today's banking problem, and he was the first to have the CIA work against him. LBJ and civil rights was a real stroke, but didn't stop the Vietnam War. Nixon's overture to China was a real stroke and he also realized the CIA was working against him. Ford , mediocre at best. Carter, sabotaged from within, by both Republicans and CIA, tried to mitigate Global Warming and you never doubted his sincerity and honesty. Reagan, sock puppet, deficits, ship jobs overseas, absentee management of the intelligence services or else inept. Bush 1 had to be behind Iran Contra and maybe much more because this is the man who controlled the CIA. Clinton seemed effective, but still no jobs, but the eight year economy was real good and he tried to whack OBL.. Bush 2 screwed up everything he touched and he touched everything. Obama, at least he got one pick on the Court, but the Libya deal is just wrong. The bankers owe him, so he'll get a second term. Money talks. So for me, I like Carter's behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    NONE. To imply that there was a "Best" POTUS since 1960 there has to have been a Good POTUS since 1960 and I would suggest that is not true. In fact there hasn't been a Good POTUS since prior to 1860.
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    Re: Best Modern President 1960 -

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    Barack Obama. He has the exact "look" America needs to solve its problems. It was he who had the experience in 2008, not Sarah Palin. He is also the author of much "change" in America. Only a brain dead knuckle dragging bigot would choose anyone other than this beloved human being.
    Sarah Palin wasn't running for president.
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    Re: Best Modern President 1960 -

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    Barack Obama. He has the exact "look" America needs to solve its problems. It was he who had the experience in 2008, not Sarah Palin. He is also the author of much "change" in America. Only a brain dead knuckle dragging bigot would choose anyone other than this beloved human being.
    I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but your attempt failed miserably. Next time you should probably just say what's on your mind forrealz.

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