View Poll Results: If a person smears a Christian as a "homophobe," should that person returh fire?

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  • Yes. If they call you a homophobe you should be able to comment on their morals/etc.

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  • No, they shouldn't return fire because they deserve it.

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  • Simply ignore the smears and continue debating.

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  • How about we show some respect and NOT smear eachother?

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Thread: Slander in Politics

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    Slander in Politics

    I have a few questions.

    I notice that there are people who are more socially-liberal who, continuously, insult the more socially-conservative for their stances on social issues.

    This is what I ask: If a liberal slanders a Christian by calling him/her a "homophobe/whatever," why should that person not turn around and insult the person's degenerate moral character?

    What do we do about this? Why is it that those more on the left are allowed to smear people with epithets of "racist/homophobe/bigot/etc?"

    Why shouldn't those being smeared with those malicious insults not turn around and at least chastise them on their moral degeneracy?

    Or, better yet, why can't we seem to get people [all people] to stop smearing/insulting eachother?

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Calling someone a homophobe or racist is not slander if it is accurate. While many accusations of bigotry are nothing but smear tactics, that doesn't mean that they aren't plenty of valid ones as well. You are free to respond with socially conservative pejoratives if you wish. You could call people fornicators, adulterers, moneychangers, eaters of shellfish ect.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Calling someone a homophobe or racist is not slander if it is accurate. While many accusations of bigotry are nothing but smear tactics, that doesn't mean that they aren't plenty of valid ones as well. You are free to respond with socially conservative pejoratives if you wish. You could call people fornicators, adulterers, moneychangers, eaters of shellfish ect.
    "Homophobe" implies irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin have none of those ill feeling towards homosexuals.


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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Homophobe" implies irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin have none of those ill feeling towards homosexuals.

    Most Christians have none of those ill feelings towards homosexuals. I can certainly that there's at least a few, especially since I work with two Christians (Catholic, but close enough lol) who have expressed their regret that we don't live in the old days where you could just bring a gay person out in the woods, shoot them and no one would make a big deal out of it. I'm not sure exactly what time they are referring to, but that certainly sounds like hatred to me.

    Regardless, I've met many Christians who denounce atheists as immoral heathens and such. It works both ways. If you're really sitting there wondering why the left just constantly name calls and why the right never name calls then you're just completely oblivious to what's going on around you. Both sides do it and it's silly when both sides do it.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Homophobe" implies irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin have none of those ill feeling towards homosexuals.

    that's just not true. blackdog is a christian and i respect, though disagree with, his views that homosexuality is a sin. he is not, however, a homophobe. there are other self proclaimed christians on this board who ARE bigots, however. please don't pretend that just because someone claims to be christian they cant' also be homophobic.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Homophobe" implies irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin have none of those ill feeling towards homosexuals.

    The targeting of homosexuality is quite irrational. How many political and religious leaders condemn people who remarry for committing adultery? Reagan managed to get the moral majority support even as he wallowed in his sinfulness with Nancy. The bible if full of moral condemnations for much of American everyday life and yet why are gays the only ones who seem to be at the receiving end of religious condemnation?

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    that's just not true. blackdog is a christian and i respect, though disagree with, his views that homosexuality is a sin. he is not, however, a homophobe. there are other self proclaimed christians on this board who ARE bigots, however. please don't pretend that just because someone claims to be christian they cant' also be homophobic.
    I never said to be a Christian you can't be a "homophobe." Actually, upon further reflection, there is nothing Christian about hating homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin, yet don't hate the sinner, are not homophobes. All the time, like in that thread about the Pope, I see it more from the socially-liberal who keep calling Christians/Catholics homophobes/crazy/irrational/whatever.

    I know there are liberal who are respectful. I use qualifiers instead of absolute statements.

    However, it is true no true Christian can be homophobic because to be homophobic you must have the element of hatred. [Iirc, you must have an element of hatred to be "phobic" of something]

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The targeting of homosexuality is quite irrational. How many political and religious leaders condemn people who remarry for committing adultery? Reagan managed to get the moral majority support even as he wallowed in his sinfulness with Nancy. The bible if full of moral condemnations for much of American everyday life and yet why are gays the only ones who seem to be at the receiving end of religious condemnation?
    Firstly, there are many who call themselves christians, yet do not adhere to the principles in the NT. Also, from the Christian perspective, we are humans born in sin, thus there will never be "perfect" Christians. Also, homosexuality is not the only thing looked down upon based on Christian morals. There's also fornication, waste, adultery, etc, etc, yet so many people do it that it's often overlooked. That doesn't mean, from the true Christian perspective, that those things aren't wrong.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have a few questions.

    I notice that there are people who are more socially-liberal who, continuously, insult the more socially-conservative for their stances on social issues.

    This is what I ask: If a liberal slanders a Christian by calling him/her a "homophobe/whatever," why should that person not turn around and insult the person's degenerate moral character?

    What do we do about this? Why is it that those more on the left are allowed to smear people with epithets of "racist/homophobe/bigot/etc?"

    Why shouldn't those being smeared with those malicious insults not turn around and at least chastise them on their moral degeneracy?
    Is there moral degeneracy though? Is calling someone a homophobe morally degenerate?

    Or, better yet, why can't we seem to get people [all people] to stop smearing/insulting eachother?
    There you go.

    (But is homophobe an insult in the first place? If so, does that mean being the opposite of a homophobe is virtuous?)
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    How about those Christians that call me a heathen communist because I don't believe in god. Or those Christians who call me a baby killer because I am pro-choice, without even hearing why? This is a two road street.
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