View Poll Results: If a person smears a Christian as a "homophobe," should that person returh fire?

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  • Yes. If they call you a homophobe you should be able to comment on their morals/etc.

    5 16.67%
  • No, they shouldn't return fire because they deserve it.

    1 3.33%
  • Simply ignore the smears and continue debating.

    3 10.00%
  • How about we show some respect and NOT smear eachother?

    16 53.33%
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Thread: Slander in Politics

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sure, I think one can. But I think many oppose it due to hatred of gays.
    I don't oppose gay marriage out of hatred of gays. :shrugg:

    Many liberals talk about keeping a tolerant, open mind, yet many are far too inclined to jump to conclusions and call those who are against gay marriage to promarily be "hateful of gays."

    Talk about hypocrisy.

    And it's also rich how some people are saying that you can be a Christian AND a homophobe. A true Christian does not hate, or at least tries not to. No Christains are perfect, but they strive to uphold their morals and not sin. Perhaps a Christian can err and hate gays, but it certainly isn't hateful/homophobic to oppose gay marriage. The left needs to open its eyes on this and stop painting all Christians who oppose gay marriage as "homophobes."

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    No, I don't think an irrational fear is a phobia. I think a phobia is more particular than that.
    You are correct.

    What we see are many liberals who act like armchair pstchiatrists, and label people they don't really know as "homophobes."

    What they don't get is that "phobia" denotes this:

    pho·bi·a/ˈfōbēə/
    Noun:
    An extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something: "he had a phobia about being under water"; "a phobia of germs"; "a snake phobia".
    Imagine a person who has a phobia of rats. A single rat can send that person with rat-phobia running and screaming. WTF is with these liberals who try to equate Christians against gay marriage as having a "phobia?" The left errs on this issue.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Sometime it pays not to argue with an idiot. Observers of the argument may not be able to figure out who the idiot is.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Sometime it pays not to argue with an idiot. Observers of the argument may not be able to figure out who the idiot is.
    There are no idiots in this discussion.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You are correct.

    What we see are many liberals who act like armchair pstchiatrists, and label people they don't really know as "homophobes."

    What they don't get is that "phobia" denotes this:

    Imagine a person who has a phobia of rats. A single rat can send that person with rat-phobia running and screaming. WTF is with these liberals who try to equate Christians against gay marriage as having a "phobia?" The left errs on this issue.

    Homophobia is a term invented by the pro-gay marriage crowd to try to shame and slander opponents of gay marriage, much like when they used to falsely call gay marriage opponents closet homosexuals. However falsely accusing the anti-gay marriage crowd of having a phobia towards gays seems to have stuck.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    No, I don't think an irrational fear is a phobia. I think a phobia is more particular than that.
    Close enough. It's not official diagnosis of a disorder and nobody said it was. Everyone understands that too.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Homophobia is a term invented by the pro-gay marriage crowd to try to shame and slander opponents of gay marriage, much like when they used to falsely call gay marriage opponents closet homosexuals.
    No, homophobia refers to any irrational fear or hatred of gays, and the term existed long before gay marriage was even a big issue in the U.S.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't oppose gay marriage out of hatred of gays. :shrugg:
    Okay.

    Many liberals talk about keeping a tolerant, open mind, yet many are far too inclined to jump to conclusions and call those who are against gay marriage to promarily be "hateful of gays."
    True.

    And it's also rich how some people are saying that you can be a Christian AND a homophobe. A true Christian does not hate, or at least tries not to. No Christains are perfect, but they strive to uphold their morals and not sin. Perhaps a Christian can err and hate gays, but it certainly isn't hateful/homophobic to oppose gay marriage. The left needs to open its eyes on this and stop painting all Christians who oppose gay marriage as "homophobes."
    Sure, and it would be nice if Christians who are living up to that requirement, to not hate, would start pointing out those who fail.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Close enough. It's not official diagnosis of a disorder and nobody said it was. Everyone understands that too.
    I don't think it is close enough at all. A phobia is very different to simply a misfounded fear. The point is that it is an attempt at an unofficial diagnosis as part of an insult. You can continue you using it and I will continue to take some of the glee out of it by pointing out the flaws and silliness in it.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    I've decided not to vote for several candidates because they attempted to smear an opponent and did not attempt to apologize or retract the erroneous material when the truth came to light. Why? Candidates that will lie about opponents to get elected will lie to the electorate to fulfill their agenda as well. Case in point: GWB smeared McCain with the black love-child lie just before the 2000 SC primary and swiftboated John Kerry also lied to the electorate about the reliability of evidence on WMD in Iraq and about the tax cuts he put in place not shifting a greater portion of the burden from the wealthy to the middle class.
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