View Poll Results: If a person smears a Christian as a "homophobe," should that person returh fire?

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  • Yes. If they call you a homophobe you should be able to comment on their morals/etc.

    5 16.67%
  • No, they shouldn't return fire because they deserve it.

    1 3.33%
  • Simply ignore the smears and continue debating.

    3 10.00%
  • How about we show some respect and NOT smear eachother?

    16 53.33%
  • Don't know/Other

    5 16.67%
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Thread: Slander in Politics

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sure. It's when they try to apply their dislikes to public policy when they go too far.
    Would opposing gay marriage met the criteria of going too far? Can someone oppose gay marriage and not be a homophobe?

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Would opposing gay marriage met the criteria of going too far? Can someone oppose gay marriage and not be a homophobe?
    Of course you can, it's just that those non-homophobic opponents are not the ones driving the debate or speaking out in public.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Of course you can, it's just that those non-homophobic opponents are not the ones driving the debate or speaking out in public.
    If it is possible to not be a homophobe and oppose gay marriage, then how did you come to this conclusion?

    I mean do homophobes have something like a mark of Cain on their foreheads?
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Homophobe" implies irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin have none of those ill feeling towards homosexuals.

    That would be true of the Christian that was, in fact, exercising his faith correctly. In the real world, there are many Christians (and Christians are flawed like everyone esle) who's wrath for homosexuality crosses the line to HATE for homosexuals. They hide behind the mantra of hate the sin; love the sinner, but they ware really hating the sinner as well.

    In fact, the Evangelical community, as a whole, as a sinful jones for homosexuality. Yes, it is a sin as set forth in many places in the Bible, but its not a sin that Christ even spoke once about. Christ, OTH, spoke extensively about money, greed and the sanctity of marriage (not that is was between one man and one women, but that it was marriage for life). In fact, Christ said that to re-marry after divorce (with the except of adultery by the other spouse) was adultery.

    See core message of Christ in the Beatitudes Matthew 5 and 6:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+5&version=NIV
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...10&version=NIV
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...06&version=NIV

    Its amazing to me that the morality of many Evangelicals is so selective. When was the last time an Evangelical challenged the American love of money? (Greed is not only not good, its a sin?) One wonders if most of these people have even read the Gospel. Sorry, but until you hear a Christian express outrage at all sinful actions of our society, including divorce and love of money, they have little credibility speaking on behalf of God. Instead, they are using the Lord's name in vain in speaking on behalf of their own fears and their own hate.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    A ‘smear’, as the word is being used in this poll, is to damage someone's reputation by slandering, making false accusations. The way this poll was written Wake clearly presumes that calling someone that is a Christian homophobe is a smear. That is simply not correct, one who calls himself a Christian may or may not be a homophobe. And what other word would one use other than homophobe that is more accurate and not a swear word or the ilk. All the choices in his poll suffer from the presumption that describing a Christian as a homophobe is a smear. All kinds of people are homophobes, maybe most people are. What is most interesting is that many Christians think that they are being singled out as homophobes. Why is that? That is the part I find interesting.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Both politics and the news media must be cleaned up.
    Here we need better people....maybe 50 years from now.
    Scumbags die hard.
    And Newt Gingrich was correct in "chewing out" the media - they had it coming !
    Now we must examine the behavior of Mr Gingrich (NOT his personal life, that is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.)

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have a few questions.

    I notice that there are people who are more socially-liberal who, continuously, insult the more socially-conservative for their stances on social issues.

    This is what I ask: If a liberal slanders a Christian by calling him/her a "homophobe/whatever," why should that person not turn around and insult the person's degenerate moral character?

    What do we do about this? Why is it that those more on the left are allowed to smear people with epithets of "racist/homophobe/bigot/etc?"
    There is more than a little truth to this, IMO. It would not hurt for the so-called Christians to clean up their act...They must acknowledge their humanity.

    Why shouldn't those being smeared with those malicious insults not turn around and at least chastise them on their moral degeneracy?

    Or, better yet, why can't we seem to get people [all people] to stop smearing/insulting each other?
    A gentleman does not stoop to any lower level; if so, he is NOT a gentleman.
    Both conservatives and liberals do this silly insulting of each other.
    Try debating instead.
    Yes, I know this is difficult if not impossible...

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Would opposing gay marriage met the criteria of going too far? Can someone oppose gay marriage and not be a homophobe?
    Sure, I think one can. But I think many oppose it due to hatred of gays.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    If it is possible to not be a homophobe and oppose gay marriage, then how did you come to this conclusion?

    I mean do homophobes have something like a mark of Cain on their foreheads?
    No, but they tend to talk about WHY they oppose gay marriage.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    An irrational fear is a phobia. It often applies.
    No, I don't think an irrational fear is a phobia. I think a phobia is more particular than that.
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