View Poll Results: If a person smears a Christian as a "homophobe," should that person returh fire?

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  • Yes. If they call you a homophobe you should be able to comment on their morals/etc.

    5 16.67%
  • No, they shouldn't return fire because they deserve it.

    1 3.33%
  • Simply ignore the smears and continue debating.

    3 10.00%
  • How about we show some respect and NOT smear eachother?

    16 53.33%
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Thread: Slander in Politics

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    My cousin's gay, yet somehow we manage to have respectful and interesting discussions about it and other morals in society.
    Well, then, maybe you're just not a homophobe.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Wake, you're not using an correct definition of homophobia. Homophobe is just the person that is homophobic. It's not a derogetory term unless someone has turned it into one. Who would that be?
    Homophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I couldn't quite work out whether you agree or disagree with Wessexman's restriction of the use of the word to its original psychoanalytic meaning.

    One can use the word(s) beginning 'homophob-' in its original, psychoanalytical sense, of course. A statement such as: "According to the psychiatric report on the accused, his violent behaviour may be related to his deep seated homophobia. The victim, he says, made sexual advances and he reacted in an inappropriately violent manner." The wider and more common use of the word in the modern vernacular, and attested to by its modern and universal dictionary definitions, suggests that the meaning has changed.
    But it can still hold some of the original meaning, because the term phobia is a key part of the word and we don;t have to accept every trendy neologism.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I can't find anything to disagree with in your post. Dictionary definitions do tend to be a snapshot in time of perceived meaning. As soon as a word is published its meaning may have changed in popular social and cultural understanding.

    Coincidentally, as I'm rwriting this I'm listening to a BBC Radio 4 programme about the evolution of words. That is sooo weird! Pure coincidence, it just followed on from the midday news. They are discussing the etymology of the word 'stroke'. At the moment they are explaining that in early English the word derived from the idea of being struck by the hand of God. Interesting stuff. Check it out, you can listen to it here....
    Is Stephen Fry the presenter?
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I didn't want to show my agreement or disagreement in this case - but the larger focus isn't about the psychoanalytical meaning - that's a red herring. The majority of people use a modern vernacular colloquially, not via a definition. Rap music, local cultural norms, television, popular culture.... all of these meanings and sub-meaning and slangs have much more to do with how we process language than the actual etymology of words. Even highly educated and professional are ignorant of their own language beyond what they learned in schools. I think we're looking at the issue the wrong way. We should be looking at how these words are used culturally and socially to understand the meaning and not in the modern dictionary definitions.
    Up to a point I agree, but with this word this is how it is used and it carries its sinister attempt at diagnosis easily recognisable in the word with the term 'phobia'.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Is Stephen Fry the presenter?
    No. Hardeep Singh Kohli.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No. Hardeep Singh Kohli.
    I though it was mandatory for Stephen Fry to be in every radio Four program. Surely he must pop up in its somewhere?
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Imo, it just depends on the individual poster. If someone doesn't like homosexuals, doesn't like Christians, doesn't like white trash, or whatever their particular dislike is, it doesn't equate to poor character. It's just personal opinions, and not a moral or character issue. I don't care what people like or dislike, because that's not the things on which people should be judged.

    However one chooses to respond is up to them, and whether or not they desire to get into a pissing contest.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Up to a point I agree, but with this word this is how it is used and it carries its sinister attempt at diagnosis easily recognisable in the word with the term 'phobia'.
    An irrational fear is a phobia. It often applies.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Imo, it just depends on the individual poster. If someone doesn't like homosexuals, doesn't like Christians, doesn't like white trash, or whatever their particular dislike is, it doesn't equate to poor character. It's just personal opinions, and not a moral or character issue. I don't care what people like or dislike, because that's not the things on which people should be judged.
    Sure. It's when they try to apply their dislikes to public policy when they go too far.
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