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  • Yes. If they call you a homophobe you should be able to comment on their morals/etc.

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  • No, they shouldn't return fire because they deserve it.

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  • Simply ignore the smears and continue debating.

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  • How about we show some respect and NOT smear eachother?

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Thread: Slander in Politics

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    I don't care about people's homophobic views of gays as long as they are not trying to change others. That is the defining difference between true Christians and activist Christians. The former knows what sin is but concerns themselves with their own purity, the latter sticks their nose into everyone's business and tries to control sexuality.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Christians have been judging people by their own standards for about 2000 years so I think they can handle it...

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Firstly, there are many who call themselves christians, yet do not adhere to the principles in the NT. Also, from the Christian perspective, we are humans born in sin, thus there will never be "perfect" Christians. Also, homosexuality is not the only thing looked down upon based on Christian morals. There's also fornication, waste, adultery, etc, etc, yet so many people do it that it's often overlooked. That doesn't mean, from the true Christian perspective, that those things aren't wrong.
    1: The "true" Christian thing is bull****. You can say it all you want but if the Bible was clear on what a Christian is then we wouldn't have hundreds of different sects of Christians in the first place. I can't define atheism as "someone who is really smart" and then claim that if you're dumb you must be a Christian any more than you can claim that it's impossible for a bigoted person to be a Christian. Just doesn't work that way.

    2. If my religion included a belief, which i hold dearly, that blacks shouldn't be able to marry, especially marry any white person, should have separate water fountains and bathrooms, shouldn't be able to serve in the military etc. but I swore up and down that I really don't hate blacks, would you be perfectly fine with that and defend me from anyone that calls me a bigot or racist? I'm positive that most Christians really don't have any problems with gays, they realize that they're just people that were born with different traits and that hating a gay person is like hating a left handed person, just down right silly, However, when you hear some comments coming from some Christians you start to wonder whether at least alittle bit, from at least a small minority, hold their beliefs out of adherence to their religion or whether a small percentage is coming from just hatred of gays. I don't hear Christians trying to ban adulterers from being able to re-marry or from joining the army, so I have to wonder why they spend so much time worrying about whether gays can get married or join the army.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Name calling goes both ways, and it's disingenous to pretend otherwise. I can't count the number of insults I have received from conservatives because of my (usually) liberal social views. Nor can I count the number of insults I have received from liberals because I have "conservative" views on some issues. Throw religion into the mix and the pious get riotious because they believe god gave them personal permission to be sanctimonious pricks.

    This thread is basically drawing a partisian line in the sand, and asking why everyone on the other side of that line is mean-spirited and wrong. Not usually the best way to look for common ground.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Firstly, there are many who call themselves christians, yet do not adhere to the principles in the NT. Also, from the Christian perspective, we are humans born in sin, thus there will never be "perfect" Christians. Also, homosexuality is not the only thing looked down upon based on Christian morals. There's also fornication, waste, adultery, etc, etc, yet so many people do it that it's often overlooked. That doesn't mean, from the true Christian perspective, that those things aren't wrong.
    Well then I pose the question to you Wake. Do you politically advocate legally banning divorce and re-marrying (with a few exceptions) according to scripture?

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have a few questions.

    I notice that there are people who are more socially-liberal who, continuously, insult the more socially-conservative for their stances on social issues.

    This is what I ask: If a liberal slanders a Christian by calling him/her a "homophobe/whatever," why should that person not turn around and insult the person's degenerate moral character?

    What do we do about this? Why is it that those more on the left are allowed to smear people with epithets of "racist/homophobe/bigot/etc?"

    Why shouldn't those being smeared with those malicious insults not turn around and at least chastise them on their moral degeneracy?

    Or, better yet, why can't we seem to get people [all people] to stop smearing/insulting eachother?
    And those on the left get called socialists, commies, hippies, anti-America "hate the military" and worse. Name-calling and mudslinging is all part of the game. I don't see what's the big deal. If someone is indeed a homophobe, i don't see what's wrong with calling them out on it when it's accurate.
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Homophobe" implies irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin have none of those ill feeling towards homosexuals.

    ehhh the two are not mutually exclusive.

    Personally I think heterosexism is a much bigger problem in society than homophobia, but that's just me

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Christians have been judging people by their own standards for about 2000 years so I think they can handle it...
    The Bible is made up of judgement calls even though it includes the Thou Shall Not Judge thing.. It is no wonder a lot of Christians talk out both sides of their mouth..
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    Re: Slander in Politics

    A rather weird thing is that there are a number of homophobes who are homosexual themselves. This manifests itself in self-loathing and homophobia but in its most its extreme the existence of many homosexual serial killers, Dahmer, Gacy and Corll being among the most notable, but there a literally dozens of others in the US alone.

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    Re: Slander in Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Homophobe" implies irrational fear/contempt/hatred for homosexuals. Christians who view homosexuality as a sin have none of those ill feeling towards homosexuals.

    Viewing homosexuality as a sin base on a book written nearly two thousand years ago is an irrational contempt for homosexuals. Following the bible literally is irrational in and of itself, viewing something as a sin is to have contempt for it.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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